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However, it is up to us, whether we want to help build a better society, whether we have a genuine desire to help others, particularly those in need.

It is up to us whether we want to belong to a society where no-one is disadvantaged or isolated from the community.

Philip Freier, wrote in, The Age, May 5, 2008:

"At the recent 2020 Summit in Canberra, "social inclusion" was one of the 10 key areas for discussion. It is a vague term that can mean different things to different people. For me, it must mean, first and foremost, building a society where all people, from all backgrounds and regardless of their circumstances, are genuinely incorporated.

There must be no forgotten people in 21st century Australia, whether we are speaking of Indigenous people, refugees, recent migrants, the elderly, the disabled, or those without work. If we are to create a cohesive, harmonious community, it is important that we find the will to change the structures that have left so many people disadvantaged."

"One of these is education, which can serve to reinforce early sociocultural conditioning, or more usefully, to develop skills in rational inquiry so that individuals can transcend their childhood indoctrination. Alternatively, some unfortunates who are educationally or intellectually deprived may be indoctrinated in irrational beliefs, such as those espoused by religions or other totalitarian ideologies." - CJM

CJM,

You should read William Sheridan Allen’s [1966] "The Nazi Seizure of Power". It is about a smallish (10,000 people] German town's indoctination between 1932-33. Adults were easily indoctrined. Especially, those with some property to lost [farmers & marchants]. The key people were in no sense unfortunates or lacked intellect, the NAZi's played on their fears that because of the Jews et al they could loose their saving and be poor like itinerate works, whom liven in a disused arm barracks. Then again, you might think it silly. I thought it an excellect book.

No Romany, not just you. I was verging on being impressed by BD’s logic, when all of a sudden JC pops up from nowhere. My bad, should have known better.

Yes boaz, I concurred with what you were saying until your Christian indoctrination came to the fore. Aside from that, you make some very good points.

The type of indoctrination Haralambos speaks of, could just as easily be described as persuasion. To resist any attempt to persuade you of anything, is just being stubbornly ignorant.

So there's many layers of indoctrination, but to view all society as one big bad exercise in indoctrination to me, seems like the height of condescension.

There are a multitude of views. I tend to view Australian society, by and large, as one of the better ones.
To ascribe this personal belief to simply being manipulated, is to disregard anyone elses point of view.

That sounds just as much like indoctrination as anything else.

Anyone can simply claim the opposing side has been indoctrinated. I view that, as akin to sitting down with your hands over your ears and pouting.

Hands up all those who got a giggle from :

a) Romany and Seekers statements,

b) TRTL saying:

<<To resist any attempt to persuade you of anything, is just being stubbornly ignorant.>>

Dear Seeker, Romany and TRTL

the reason the Lord Jesus 'pops up' in the midst of my otherwise 'good reasoning' is because He is the solution to the human dilemna.(alienation from our Creator)

You dear folks wander around talking about or addressing 'symptoms' and I prefer to go right to the core of things.

My basis for using the word 'flood' is this:

a) There is the prophetic condemnation of people who have 'stubbornly' wandered from God.

"My people have committed two evils: they have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters, and hewn themselves cisterns—broken cisterns that can hold no water." Jeremiah 2:12-13

b) Jesus own words:

"If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink," said Jesus. "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." John 7:37-39

Now..I'll freely admit, no..I'll boldy declare that to give one's life to Christ means 'indoctrination'.
Paul puts it this way:

"Be transformed"
by
"the renewal of your mind"

and this is exactly what happens. But oh what joy it brings! :)

Actually I don't get a "giggle" out of the predicament of others who are outside of Christ.. I was just following the theme set by Romany.
It's not a laughing matter in the slightest.

Paul sought to persuade people about Christ in the Hall of Tyrannus for a year in Corinth.. I don't mind spending a few years on OLO for the same reason.

blessings.

Boazy: << Paul sought to persuade people about Christ in the Hall of Tyrannus for a year in Corinth.. I don't mind spending a few years on OLO for the same reason. >>

How many of us heathens do you reckon you've brought to your Christ, Boazy, or even closer to him? At last count I recall it was zero.

Hands up everybody who has converted to Christianity on the basis of Boazy's interminable preaching at OLO!