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The following website may be of interest:

http://www.coeffic.demon.co.uk/descrim.htm

Vanilla>"No. In fact, I would contribute more to this thread if there were more dispassionate and concrete examples of discrimination rather than just generic invective."

Examples? There is more to this subject and discussion than examples (though i posted a blog that is dedicated to the issue in one or two threads...I know for a fact you read my posts there, since you quoted my posts. Hence you should know of examples. Don't act like they do not exist.)

Dismissing the discussion so far as "general invective" pretty much destroys your credibility here and ability to read.

>"I joined the thread in good faith, but the aggression here doesn't do it for me. I've left feministy threads for similar reasons."

Perhaps you should check your descriptions of people's thoughtful posts before you 'wonder' why aggression is present. Dismissing posts like that is insulting and offensive.

>"But you're right, it was wrong of me to say "I should have left this thread to die" if others were still getting something out of it, so I apologise for that."

And you complained about aggression? Perhaps you should again take a look in the mirror.

Jeez.

Firstly, R0bert, I didn't ignore your post. I read it and thought about it — it's an interesting point. By that stage, this thread had got a bit aggro for me, and I didn't say that. I'm saying it now.

Secondly, Antisceptic, I also like "Why do women wear make-up and perfume? Because they're ugly and they smell". I like cartoons making fun on Mohammad. I like Jesus jokes. I like Dawkins jokes. Jokes should be funny. I believe (but accept you differ) that discrimination is a different battle.

Thirdly, Steel: My point was not that there aren't genuine examples of discrimination against men. There are. They concern me, like all issues of discrimination. I've written about it elsewhere on and outside of OLO. My point was that, for me, the thread felt nasty. So I stopped posting. Then came across what I thought was a pertinent quote, and posted again. Obviously I regret that now.

Fourthly:
Me: "it was wrong of me to say "I should have left this thread to die" if others were still getting something out of it, so I apologise for that."

Steel: "Perhaps you should again take a look in the mirror."

I don't even get this. Antiseptic pulled me up for saying the thread should die, when it might still have been a going concern for others. It was a fair point, I apologised. If you don't accept it or don't believe I was being sincere, whatever.

I know men suffer discrimination, but I watched the interview carefully and disagree that Prof Doherty's remarks were an instance of it. I believe both men and women should be careful not to derail free speech simply because they are offended. I don't believe feeling offended necessarily constitutes sexual discrimination. For men or women.

But that's me. You disagree. I get it. I don't wish to start a fight with anyone. Antisceptic and Steel, you've said you don't think I have any credibility, and you've both made it clear you dislike my posts. Fine. Let's just steer clear of each other, eh?

Foxy:"Those two jokes I believe were your contribution to this thread, apart
from referring to us as "grrrls." So you have to accept some responsibility for the way this discussion turned out as well."

Those comments were in response to your own efforts and were intended to be sarcastic. They were in the context of your efforts to derail the thread from the start. My apologies if that was a bit subtle.

Foxy: "I kept saying - let's judge people individually - not on a gender basis"

That's a noble goal, but the point of the thread was that our society has institutionalised a pro-"feminist", anti-male attitude, which was reflected in Doherty's comments. We see the evidence supporting that premise everywhere, from advertisers to Federal and State bureaucrats to the RSPCA for Bob's sake! It seems anything at all can be sold to the community using a "men are dumb/violent/oppressive" theme and there is little recourse for those who are offended by such sexism.

What are we to do about that as a community? Is this the sort of society we want our children to inherit?

Vanilla:"Antisceptic and Steel, you've said you don't think I have any credibility, and you've both made it clear you dislike my posts. Fine. Let's just steer clear of each other, eh?"

the name is ANTISEPTIC, not Antisceptic. I make an effort to call you by your chosen handle and I'd appreciate you doing the same.

As for your comment, I'm not sure what you mean. When have I claimed to dislike your posts? I'm disappointed that you seem unable to engage the topic, because on the whole I think your opinion is worth hearing. I'm sorry you don't feel appreciated.

On the subject of jokes: I enjoy a good joke, but I don't see how Foxy's efforts did anything other than derail the discussion, which was their intended purpose. If you want to start a "good jokes" thread I'll be happy to see it, regardless of the topic of the jokes.

Foxy that link is quite interesting. Such infomation for some reason just doesn't get the 'publicity' that discrimination against women receives. I don't think it ever will either.