Steel, I don't think we've got equal pressure in that department yet (although it's growing), rather the pressures are in different area's. I don't believe the solution lies in restricting peoples choices, rather by increasing the freedom to choose. One of the great things achieved over recent years by feminism (and the debate around it) is an increasing freedom for both genders to make choices outside traditional gender roles.

As a single dad I've really noticed the shift even in the last few years of a change in attitude to men making family friendly choices in the workplace.

One of the criticism's is that some sections of feminism are considered to have emphasised career at the expense of full time parenting as a choice rather than giving support for both as options for women. I've still not worked out how much truth is in that claim but it's one that surfaces a lot.

This is one where the concerns raised by Bronwyn are best addressed not by restricting womens choices in clothing but by ensuring that they do have a choice and know it.

As for Gibo's concerns - he has based his opening argument in part on the assumption that porn is increasing problems rather than reducing them. On his main claims about porn he has been clearly shown to be wrong on other threads and refuses to consider the evidence. Not much point in taking him seriously. If he or the sheek have problem controlling their reactions to stimuli then they should seek professional help rather than expecting everybody elses freedoms to be limited to accomodate them. As others have pointed out life is full of things which can cause problems if we choose to let them, it's our own choice what we do with life.

R0bert

Dear fellow posters.

this is a valuable thread, but TRTL, I don't see too many throats being ripped out mate?

THE FINE LINE...... between 'looking good' and 'provocative sexualized attire' is a subjective one indeed.

CONTEXT.. I believe we absolutely need to place 'sexual intimacy' into a very secure "values framework".
I think it is a self evident principle, that if either males or females dress in such a way as to advertize their sexual side much more than their 'character' side, they will inevitably be perceived as more of a 'sex object' than a whole person.

Does a girl 'need' to have a low top and plunging cleavage for we blokes to know she has or does not have 'generous breasts' ? Or.. putting it more realistically, as one lady said "anything more than a handful is a waste".
All we need to see is the basic shape and we can decide if we are physically attracted or not.

BLOKES
Does a bloke need to wear really tight bum hugging, package displaying jeans for a girl to know what his physical credentials are like? Nope.. I can't see that. Much better for her to attend a footy game and she can see all she needs of him.

But that aside, how nice it would be, if we could all simply realize that overexposure and wongly emphasized exposure will have predictably negative outcomes in the long term.
Modesty is a wonderful thing... truly. "If u've got it flaunt it" is just one more of the stupid lies of Satan, like "Just do it".. a sign in the office at my gym. I think to myself "ok..sure...I'll just kick the DOOR DOWN"

Belly,

Don't forget Adam and Eve's hearts were not corrupted like yours and mine at that stage. The corruption of people's hearts are displayed daily on OLO as people support the promotion of perversion, deny the results of porn and worship the created (themselves) rather than God. You seem very confused although mixing evolution ( a fantasy) with creation explains it.

What i said R0bert is not an opinion, it's a fact. The male archetype is used in advertising as much as sit is the female.

Yes Runner youre right again:)
We arent the same as the Original pair.
The Fall so changed things I think its remarkable that we've survived this long.
Has to be Gods Grace.
That Grace does run out at times though...the Flood got rid of a whole world of perversion. Civilisations fell when they hit the idolary, sexual immorality and sacrifice (abortion today) levels too much for The Lord to bear.
The Bibles endtimes will do the same as the Flood if change doesnt come to the hearts of men.
Its an proud, arrogant site here at times.

Is that the flood in which God killed every human on the planet, including the innocent, men and women, the elderly and the children and babies, and unborn. And the one in which he included in this genocide all innocent living creatures and animals?

God aborted the entire human race and animal life of a planet, if this story were real.