Dear TRTL,

I'm sorry that it's taken me so long to respond to your comment to me.
But I had gone over my post limit and was unable to do so.

Of course you are right. Labelling people and name calling should not be part of this Forum.

No matter how different are the viewpoints or how deeply someone feels about any given subject - they should remain in control, and not stoop to personal insults.

If they do, then according to any rules of civilized debating, they've lost the argument.

Gibo, you really should stop and think - before you do any name-calling in your future posts. Accept the fact that not everybody is going to agree with you. That's the nature of The Forum.
Insulting people turns them off. That's not what you want is it?

BOAZ “In short..it doesn't matter how much you 'legalize' something, there is always the 'next level' which is illegal, yet thrives.
Same withj Porn. You legalize it and the next level of filth will then be created and thrive.”

Then I presume you prefer to see us all live the life of the regulated autonyms. Mindless, colorless, all doing exactly what the state or the religious authorities want. No one with the will power to vary from the prescribed path of the deity.

The death of innovation.
The death of art.
The death of passion.

A pointless existence!

Everything done in step to the will of the censor.

Enough to make a thinking man wish for death.

Gibo “The evidence Col is my testimony.”

And my testimony contradicts your testimony. However, I can list link after link of objective reports, studies and statistics which support my testimony and all you present are accusations that those who condemn censorship are perverts.

You present the opposite of compelling argument.

Foxy “Gibo, you really should stop and think”

If he did that, I doubt he would have started this thread, following the trouncing the last one got.

Gibo says "Its a small mind that pushes aside life experience testimonies to look for vacant reports."

As far as I can see whats being disagreed with is not Gibo's life experience but rather his interpretation of what he has experienced. There is a significant difference.

Gibo if you really believe what you have written then consider that my life experience has shown me that the christain god is not real.

Do you feel compelled to agree with me because it's my life experience or do you feel free to have and express a differing opinion?

If you have not declared yourself an agnostic by this point then please stop with the stuff about people pushing aside your life experience. It's a cop out to avoid having to support the assertions you make with evidence, to avoid having to consider that your life experience may not be the sum total of all human knowledge, to avoid considering that your analysis of what you have experienced may be coloured by your beliefs and values and could be flawed.

R0bert

Gibo "Its a small mind that pushes aside life experience testimonies to look for vacant reports."

It is a smaller mind which cannot find objective reports to support a life experience testimonies.

Whilst I think my “life experience” is extensive, varied and rich, I do not think my “life experience” is broader than other folks

It is the small minded who believe other people are in constant need of guidance and fail to understand the cognitive capacity of strangers.

For myself, I accept neither responsibility nor credit for the actions, sagacious or foolish, of other people.

I do believe the chaos which describes the way most of us muddle through life is the best way to be. The minutely regulated and orderly world of the authoritarianists, who believe we must all conform to standards of niceness and regularity, is blinded by conformity.

They fail to see that from the chaos of our lifes, in which people do drugs, get drunk, have affairs, watch and or participate in pornography or S&M, read dirty books, have abortions, write salacious love letters to clandestine lovers and indulge in many things which would exceed the imagination of the god botherers -

Is the same chaos in which people pursue their individual values, aspirations and passions from which comes forth the creativity to invent, paint, sculpt, compose and inspires others to greater things.

The chaos in which we bend, fail, stumble.
Is the same chaos which teaches us the value of free will.
The precious rights of personal choice and liberty
and the evil oppression of censorship.

I am not sure how broad are Gibo’s “life experiences”. I do not presume my life experiences are broader than other folk but I am sure I do understand more of what I do not know than Gibo is prepared to admit what he does not know

and in that lays the difference between us, my knowledge has taught me something of humility.

In whatever passes for Gibos “life knowledge”, humility is still in the “to do” list.

Col says:

The death of innovation.
The death of art.
The death of passion.

will be the result if we all toe the line of the "religious authorities"

Col.. some of the greatest Art has emerged from hearts vitally linked to Christ. Handel's messiah is but one example. The Cistine Chapel artwork is another.

The only kind of 'passion' which will be cast aside if we embrace Christ is the dirty kind. In fact.. as Jesus said he came to 'set the captive free' I suggest that by opening our hearts to Him, we will be more free than we can imagine to reach the heights of achievement hithertoo undreamt of.

I can almost see the dark canopy of 'Institutionalized religion' hovering over your mind.... such that you are constantly avoiding it..and rightly so. But please.. the image you appear to have in your mind is not what Christ, and knowing Him is all about.

He came that we might have ABUNDANT life..not mediocre, not short changed, not stifled....but also, not degraded or sinful.

We don't need degrading pornography to enjoy the fullness of life in Him, and we cannot, by the power of any 'religious authority' put it in anyone's heart.

You should take legal action if youre genuinely offended StG.
Stand up and be a man and take it to a lawyer.
My belief is that anyone into porn is no different from the description I originally extended.
Go to your lawyer.