When Gibo wrote about witchcraft in the other thread, i could only let out a sigh inside. it honestly made me think of witch-burners and so on more than two hundred years ago. His view of pornography is absolutely mythical. I bet the religious 'education' he has endured has so corrupted his thinking to the degree he can't think about pornography without hearing a Devil's voice talking in his ear. And he has my pity for that. Even BOAZ is intelligent enough to realise his views are purely religious and have no basis in reality, though his fervour for controlling others in most times is uncontrollable.

"Well StG and Bugsy showed themselves to be cowards when it comes to caring for and loving the women and children of tomorrow..."

Many women enjoy pornography, Gibo. Not quite as much as men because they are biologically different, but they do... of course this excludes many feminists that have been taught to hate the empowerment and opportunities it provides women and to hate men who enjoy the natural attraction to the grace of women. i have a feeling their assault on pornography, combined with the churches over the last several decades has validated your beliefs. it would have been hard to avoid since the media love to be activists in this area. And last i checked the catholic church had a systemic problem with caring for children, even when protected by god, on his holy ground and by his holiest of priests

As I said on my other porn thread "Why no federal government study on pornography" the evidence that porn creates crime is irrefutable.
To those who live lives, not in or out of books or off the internet websites, but out of real life experience as any policeman has lived, we know that as the porn spreads so do the brothels, as do the pimps extend their drugs and handguns into the situations to dope up their prostitutes; and to protect their turf.
In my own community in Sydney some years there were no porn shops and hardly a brothel. Years later both abound because they are interlinked.
I guess the global porn/sex crime scene simply isnt dark enough for most writers here to realise whats going on.
The day will come when society will have to make a decision either to ban the filth... or permit social collapse.
It might be that God will bring it all down in the Great Tribulation before we wake up to the self-destruction caused by our ungodly, idiotic behaviour.
Every single civilisation that danced with sexual immorality, idolatry and sacrifice (murdered its babies as in todays abortion)... has gone.
You read the history books but you dont pay attention. You hear what you want to hear because you've been primed in this modern age to focus on yourselves.
Maybe in Gods Sight we are indeed deserving of that invader I spoke about.
1,000 Chinese spies on Australian already tell me its too far off.
...though I reckon a national confession of sin and full Christian revival might just save the day.

.....NOT too far off....

BOAZ “The BEST form of censorship is the voluntary kind. When the rivival exploded in Whales in 1905 pubs went out of business because the 'drunkards' .....”

The revival in “Whales”?

Are those Whales as concerned with those Japanese harpoonists of today, as they were with the drunks of a 100 years ago.

As for “The BEST form of censorship is the voluntary kind.”

That is a self contradiction. Censorship which is “voluntary” is not censorship at all but people exercising their own discretion.

“Making porn illegal might not stop or eliminate it, but it WILL send a clear moral message to the community which puts such debasing and disgusting material in the correct place 'the RUBBUSH' bin.”

Wrong

All that would happen is the whole industry would go underground and what is now say $5 for boobpics will become $50 for the same boobpicks, operated by porno-bootleggers.

The problem with an unregulated “illegal” industry includes that the nature of the operation is more dangerous than the legal, hence why Victoria has licenced brothels and legal prostitution, because the risks to the ladies who work in that industry are fewer than working in an illegally operated underground trade.

“Remember... our laws are mean't to be a reflection of OUR desires..”

I would not hold your breath for changing the present arrangement, which has the weight of research to support it and allows you to ignore pornography and those, like me, who enjoy some of it, in moderation or have far more “liberal” and tolerant values than yourself to enjoy that which we appreciate and ignore that which we do not.

The horrors perpetrated in the name of religion and that includes the papal practice of castration of pre-pubescent boys to entertain the cardinals of Rome, the rape of children by the priesthood whilst preaching wholesale sexual repression to the faithful far exceeds anything done in the name of the pornography which is produced by consenting adults.

Gibo

“the evidence that porn creates crime is irrefutable.”

produce the evidence or be branded a LIAR

Those feminists who have sympathy for the attempts by religious extremists to limit what other people choose to do with their bodies might like to consider "Every single civilisation that danced with sexual immorality, idolatry and sacrifice (murdered its babies as in todays abortion)... has gone." You could check historical posts by our religious fundies on the topic of abortion if you think Gibo's comment is an isolated one.

This crowd have no respect for other peoples rights over their own bodies, not the rights of those who choose to appear in porn, the rights of those who choose to watch it nor the rights of those who might wish to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. The views of their mythical god tromp on everybody elses rights, any research that proves something contrary to what they think that their god believes and any concepts of decency and compassion.

At the heart of this debate is a core issue, should adults have the right to determine what they do with their own bodies? If the answer is yes then increased restrictions is not the answer but rather trying to find mechanisms to reduce any negative impacts. If you don't believe people should have right to determine what they do with their own boedies then increased censorship and little or no access to abortion is where this leads.

R0bert

Col.... I see your passion about the organized Catholic Church history, and can only say you simply need to go back to what it CLAIMS is it's foundation.. compare the foundation with the history and draw your informed conclusions about what happened along the way.

Regarding regulated porn, regulated brothels.. HAHAHAHAH ROFL x 100

:) mate.. that was once a 'reasonable argument' i.e.. beFORE they legalized them... so what happened SINCE they legalized the brothels?

aaah.. we have underground Asian sex slaves in abundance, we have many illegal brothels cropping up everywhere, we have all manner of problems which were supposed to be stamped out by legalizing and controlling it all..
So that argument is entirely falacious.

SMOKING.. I was discussing with a mate in gym today about this. He quit for a while and his performance improved in exercise. Now, back on the drug his performance is weaker. I asked him "Don't the graphic pictures put you off?" he said "They worked for about 2 weeks"
Then I said.. hmm maybe they should put some nauseating chemical in the smokes to put people off smoking. Then, it occurred to me that then there would arise a bustling trade in 'non nauseating tobacco'

In short..it doesn't matter how much you 'legalize' something, there is always the 'next level' which is illegal, yet thrives.
Same withj Porn. You legalize it and the next level of filth will then be created and thrive.