Dear Nicky, yes we know that you should have been a traffic cop, so that you can
follow your passion of imposing fines on people. As I have explained to you before,
that is not how AQIS operates, for reasons that I have explained. 1000 dead sheep
cost a company 100’000$, that’s a pretty large fine in itself.

The standards are quite good, I’ve read them. Where problems will always arise,
is that when humans do things, there will be stuff ups due to human stupidity.

I know its beneath you to watch commercial tv, but one day take a look at Gordon
Ramsay’s Kitchen Disasters. It might occur to you how some people can’t even
run a simple restaurant, let alone a complex operation like exporting live sheep.

Don’t talk to me about what happens in the ME. I made you an offer to help
change things when it comes to the slaughter of 12 million non Australian animals
there, you are not the slightest bit interested.

Meantime it sounds like in the saleyards under your very nose, they are unable to
organise themselves to see that animals are treated humanely, so who are you
to preach to the ME?

If people were fudging AQIS charge cheats, they would be sacked. The press
would only need to get a whiff of corruption in Govt, heads would have to role,
or the Govt would not survive.

*You have so much knowledge in your head. More than I.
I must addmitt I am a bit usleless at that. I always get the names and dated mixed and have to loook things up.*

Hehe Getrude you said it! I am going to have to agree with you :)

Oxytocin Nicky, is part of your genetic make up and affects your behaviour. Look it up and educate
yourself. Otherwise of course, ignorance is bliss!

"Oxytocin Nicky, is part of your genetic make up and affects your behaviour. Look it up and educate yourself. Otherwise of course, ignorance is bliss!"

Ah Yabby no doubt about you eh? Your rants on oxytocin have nothing to do with this thread have they so why are have you raised it here? Trying to conceal this rant from other posters on the other thread, who you are endeavouring to impress eh? What a spineless little sissy you are!

"I have my own theories and it gets back to endocrinology. Instinct
is clearly influenced by genetics and oxytocin is not known as
the cuddle hormone for no good reason." (Yabby)

Yabby when you dust off the hayseeds, cease riding mountain goats and refrain from trying to get that poor old wether you have lashed to your bed post, to do your bidding, you may (though I doubt it) learn that oxytocin is not exclusively a female hormone. Oxytocin is released by both male and female.

Why do you continue to dredge up your obsessive know-it-all crap about oxytocin which you spruiked on about months ago?

Clearly your own lack of oxytocin is contributing to your impotence but that does not give you the right to bore us to sobs.

There are such medications as Viagra you know? Assuming Willie Wether's all tuckered out.

So give us a break Grandpa - for goodness sake!

Yabby said

if people were fudging AQIS charge cheats, they would be sacked. The press
would only need to get a whiff of corruption in Govt, heads would have to role,
or the Govt would not survive.
pale comments.
Yabby do you really believe AQIS fairly controls the export licences?
If you do you must be a bigger twit than I thought.

AQIS CONTROL 'who' gets accreditation. Yes That is correct.

Now Yabby a short sory about everyday plant operators and even some butchers applying for export licences might clear the air for anybody thinking that its fair.

I will especially request some of those butchers and other plant opertors to post on this forum and tell of their lack of assistance given by AQIS.

Why you ask would I suggest AQIS made it near impossible to obtain a export licence?
Easy Question- easy answer. To keep control of the meat industry and crawl up the backsides of the big live export companies such as AWB Elders and many others.
To earn their donations to political parties. To pay for their support in electrion time and other times.

The Government in Australia has long been in bed with the cruel live animal shipping agents and companies. AQIS is part of the Government.
So why Yabby refer to them as if they are inderpendant.
Rudd has chosen to pick up where Howard Left off.
Mind you they are well used to this system as these companies for years have tossed the opposition some donations too.
Its called feeding the chooks. That is to make sure the opposition dont speak out about animal cruelty also. Anything else you would like to know - just ask.

Yabby
I will say it again shall I.
Oh yes you always run and hide when I post the truth plain and simple so people understand.

What Isaid before is just like it is. You know it and so do I.

AQIS CONTROL 'who' gets accreditation. Yes That is correct.

Now Yabby a short story about everyday plant operators and even some butchers applying for export licences might clear the air for anybody thinking that its fair.

I will especially request some of those butchers and other plant opertors to post on this forum and tell of their lack of assistance given by AQIS.

Why you ask would I suggest AQIS made it near impossible to obtain a export licence?
Easy Question- easy answer. To keep "control" of the meat industry and crawl up the backsides of the big live export companies such as AWB Elders and many others.
To earn their donations to political parties. To pay for their support in electrion time and other times.

The Government in Australia has long been in bed with the cruel live animal shipping agents and companies. AQIS is part of the Government.
So why Yabby refer to them as if they are inderpendant.

Rudd has chosen to pick up where Howard Left off.

Mind you they are well used to this system as these companies for years have tossed the opposition some donations too.

Its termed "feeding the chooks.'

That is to "make sure" the opposition "dont speak out about animal cruelty also"

Anything else you would like to know - just ask.!
Shame on live export avgents who hide behind faslse names and company names!
Shame on Kevin Rudd who 'lied' to the Australian public regatrding this two weeks out from a federal election!

Hi all
PALE, what I had was the stats of what each RSPCA State Branch had INVESTED at the financial year 2006, and I can't remember the details but it ran into the millions; that was money that was donated by the public, and probably to some extent governments, which was not being spent on the animals for which it was collected.

If Animals Australia decides it can pursue this case, they have a great team of barristers themselves, but as I said before, it is a matter of who has standing to do so. I think it would have to be a case of removing Minister Ravlich and re-instating the appeal (by the WA State Solicitor who does have standing) on the grounds that there is no inconsistency between Federal and State (WA) legislation.

I don't think there is, because there are no national animal cruelty statutes. Emanuels may have complied with the Australian Standards for the Export of Livestock as they were at that time though, which would complicate it, even though they were found to have breached WA cruelty provisions. Section 118 of the Australian Constitution does, however, state that "full faith and credit shall be given throughout the Commonwealth to the laws, public Acts and records and the judicial proceedings of every state".

Magistrate Crawford was relying on S109, which states that "when a law of a state is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail and the former shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be invalid".

But I'm sure Animals Australia's barristers would be onto that.

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky
Thanks for that re rspca. Now re the wa case its probably not a good idea to go into too much detail on here.
If you think aa are not finished with this matter we will not start any action until they have followed up on whatever they are considering.

There will be a conference this week regarding advise on the matter however its a matter of principle that they would actually contact their council to inform them of actions they might consider.

I am almost sure however any action would not be done in wa and they are considering a whole different manner etc

So like I said nicky if you feel they are still taking advise we would probably hold off out of respect and consideration.

I should hope they may pay us the same respect with our work with Muslim Leaders.
Goodnight