Col Rouge, if you'd bothered to read my previous posts, you would know that I have nothing against Jews. As with other posters who believe I have the right to deny the holohoax, you sure get angry when I do so.
Also, why is it that by being a denier, you automatically regard me as an enemy of freedom? I believe in free speech and thought. By your latest post, you clearly don't. You ask what freedoms should be extended to political opponents - same as me; freedom to think and believe what they want, and the freedom to say so.
As a 'vociforous opponent of fascism' you have every right to be so. Just as I have every right to believe in whatever system that I want to - though I haven't stated whether or not Fascism is that particular system. That was just your accusation.

Steven, thanks for more of your reasoned, unbiased input. I hope that debating with a virus doesn't give you a nasty flu.

Bugsy/Brian, if you go back and read again, you will see that I never wrote that Dr Piper was involved with the Leuchter Report. You should really try to get your facts right and not 'totally lie'. BTW, what did you think of the Leuchter Report? No matter who you credit with the 'downsizing', the revised death-figures of 1.1 million is a fair drop from 4.1 million. I wonder how low it will be after the next 'revision'. The fact that you apparently accept the 'revised' figure is a step in the right direction for you.

This subject has proved that a so-called denier can keep going in a calm manner, while the defenders of the status quo get all fired up with disparaging comments etc. Must be a message there.

Dear Jack the Lad,

Man's greatest inheritance is the gift of speech.

Some words run softly, almost soundlessly on tiptoe.

Others clump around like an under-nine fottball team in a cement floor dressing shed.

Some soothe like cold cream on sunburn. While others set your blood pounding and your heart singing.

There are words so rounded at the edges and softened by wear that they are no longer words at all, but the sounds that people make for happiness or despair, joy or anger.

There are words that are randy, but not dirty. And sacred words that have become soiled with improper use.

Some words stick like burrs and punish at a touch. And there are others that nurse the ego and heal the heart.

Posters on this Forum are most fortunate people in that they get to have a say, even though they don't always deserve to be heard. It's a nice indulgence and we all take advantage of it. None of it is meant to be profound, although it can be wise and at times even clever. But
none of it should hurt anyone or do harm.

And when we see that harm has been done ... then some of us of-course react to it.

That is the message that you need to deeply think about Jack.

Foxy,

I urge you to let it go. There is never any point in trying to argue or reason with a Holocaust denier.

Jack

"White Supremacists don't hate everybody, they prefer their own race and believe it to be the highest. It appears that that gets up your nose."

You're a white supremist. That says it all. You have ably demonstrated the calibre of these people. There is no need to continue.

Dear Steven,

I hear what you're saying. And I will listen to you, I promise.

I find it so sad and painful.

The memories of those who perished at the hands of Hitler (and Stalin),during World War II are not revered by the mockery of denial.

It does not honor those who suffered and died that we now argue over numbers et cetera.

I find all this contrary to the most fundamental Western principles of justice, denial compounds the tragedy of World War II.

At all times, vigilance is the price of liberty. We must remain vigilant because while it might be us today, it will be some other group down the road 20 years from now - whose history will be denied.

Oh Jack, it seems that you are getting very confused.

For anyone following this, and for your own mind (as fractured as it seems to be) I might just point out some the confusing bits:

Originally you provided a link that you refer to on several threads. For the lazy amongst us the website itself is: http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

This you purport to say quotes Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum.

You make a great deal about statements from Dr. Piper being 'quality evidence', in fact you seem quite insistent that it should be counted as such.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1593#30463
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1602#30911

You also posted another BLOG link(Why blogs? Can't you find decent original material?)
Since you seemed so insistent on Dr. Piper's statements, I decided to look up the video that purports to have these statements by him. I know it's the same one referred to in your original post, because it was shot by David Cole in mid-1992.
I posted the link also (but here it is again, because I know you don't like to actually think too hard about finding sources, Jack):
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gcgvcole.html

if you ever to read the transcript (or watch the video, I know you love this kind of stuff, not too much reading), you would find the the opening statement by Dr. Piper is:
"The first and the oldest gas chamber, which existed in Auschwitz I, this camp where we are now here, operated from autumn 1941 to December 1942, approximately one year. The crematorium near by this gas chamber worked longer, to the middle of 1943"
Doesn't sound right? You said Dr. Piper said that "the camp was fabricated on Stalin's orders".
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1602#31323

However Dr. Piper never mentions Stalin at all.

In the same video by David Cole he says very clearly that Dr. Piper claimed that 1.1 million people were killed at Asuhwitz-Birkenau and this is accepted as being on the record (he published it- http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/html/eng/aktualnosci/news_big.php?id=563).
Yet you directly claimed that: "Dr Piper did not state that 'at least 1.1 million people died at Auschwitz-Birkenau'"
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1602#31322

Someone's confused.