So is it time to change leaders? surely not Nelson may have been the wrong man for the job but not yet surely?
It is no easy task for the opposition to find traction so early in a new Parliament time must pass before they do.
With by elections more than likely for run away MP s like Mark Vaile Peter Costello and maybe 6 more a steady hand is called for.
Even the most welded on Liberal in the country would surely not see Brenden as the right man for the job , he is however the right one for now.

What, to wear the flak, to absorb some king hits, to deflect attention from the sulking former Ministers, to demonstrate that there was no succession plan in the likelihood of defeat, and finally, when Prince Malcolm is ready, hand over with a smile?

Better to get it over and done with before Brendan dives any further and takes the Party down with him. Out with all the Old Guard - they are yesterday's people.

Turnbull for Leader - with a young Deputy like Greg Hunt to keep him on track.

I think Brendan's doing a wonderful job - so much so that I hope he's still leading whatever Opposition there is at the next election.

Quite honestly that is why I think it is too early to get rid of Brendan.
He wanted the job and actively undermined Turnbull to get it.
He never had a chance to play any roll in conservative politics other than the one he is playing now.
He is the stop gap leader, the throw away bloke, in time after a while he will be back on the back bench.
Had he not undermined Turnbull , he might have rolled him in a few months.
Remember Turnbulls crime? he wanted to publicly place blame on John Howard.
That flash of brilliance got Brendan his job.
Watch Julie Bishop, not my idea of a leader but she is going far in the short term.

I've gotta disagree there CJ. As glad as I am that the Howard Government has been toppled, nothing makes a government slide more quickly than an incompetent opposition that doesn't know how to hold their opponents to account.

I firmly believe that our crappy state oppositions are as much to blame for our crappy state governments as the governments themselves.

I sincerely hope we get a halfway competent opposition in at least two elections time (one election is too much to hope for, I think).

I have a tendency to vote against whoever holds the reins when it's a ridiculously safe seat.

Safe seats and safe governments breed incompetence. I say, keep them on their toes.

I have no doubt the Howard Government was the worst Government in Australian History. From Howard himself we had weak leadership , dis-honesty, the homo-erotic cult of Bradman worship and much bizaar things besides. From Howards government we had a cfomplete crew of incompetant ministers, not a talent amongst them, pandering to party donors,church gurus or their own meglamania. The liberal party was polluted with donations from suspect lobbyists and business people and to add to hammer the nail in the coffin the paty has been infiltraded by religionists froim Catholic , Pentecostal and Church of England Cults.

Howards Government followed Hitlers own policies of the 1930's almost in the same sequence from the burning of the Reichstag (Children over board) to AWA's (the Nazis unleashed the exact same contitions onto German workers justified by the exact same rhetoric).

Like Hitler's Nazis , Howard's Liberal collapsed into a apoclyptic rubble. History has repeated itself in Howard (ironically latest interest rises immitate post war inflation and rationing).

Nelson , Turnbull and the other Bormans and Himmlers of Howards Cabinet cannot escape their recent history and that is why I believe it is over for the Liberal Party and disband.