Aaaaah haaaa hahaahahahaaa. That’s funny.

So Ginx, you reckon I’ve written much better posts.

Excellent. So do I!

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I do believe in god, but certainly not one that is all-mighty.

An almighty god would not let us get hopelessly out of whack with a sustainable existence…unless he wanted us to suffer a huge crash event in which millions of innocent people suffer terribly. He would not allow humanity to threaten the existence of many other species. He wouldn’t allow us to fight amongst ourselves.

So, god is pretty damn slack. Basic ecological principles drive our destiny while he seems to just sit back and bludge.

Creationism makes man responsible for the maintenance and sustaiability of his environment Gen 2:15. Atheistic evolution has no such commission to manage species and environments and places no one as responsible for it all it just happens anyway without reason.

Philo,
Now that's pretty good food for thought ! To be honest I have never been religious & so far as the existence of God is concerned I'll find out sooner or later. If God is real I'm not concerned but if he is not then all those religious hypocrites will get away with it.

SNAKEY :) I'm insulted mate.. what's this 'MIGHT' bit eh ?

It not a might..it's a foregone conclusion, an absolute certainty, and irresistable force.. yes..I will try to Liberate (convert) not just Celivia but all who come here.

Snake..if you want some really gripping reading..(seriously).. I hope you will read this. Its inspiring. just 2 chapters from Acts...not much. 25 and 26

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=51&chapter=25&version=31

It concludes with these words....

28Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?"

Paul replied, "Short time or long—I pray God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains."

The build up to that point is fascinating...truly.. you will gain insights of the ways of those days unavailable in other places, except perhaps Josephus.

In those moments.. you have the brute force and might of Rome...encountering the humble Galilaean's Spirit in Paul..who relates in graphic detail his former life.. and his conversion..
how any reasonable person can claim this is a 'fairy tale' is totally beyond my human comprehension.

Who... who indeed would have thought, that with the odds so stacked against Jesus and his disciples.. against Paul..

<<The whole Jewish community has petitioned me about him in Jerusalem and here in Caesarea, shouting that he ought not to live any longer.>>
(Parenthesis..I sometimes feel there are those here who feel that way about me :)

...that this 'fairy tale' would ever amount to anything.

Aah.. but Paul knew his Redeemer.. he knew that the Kingdom of God.. growing in the hearts of men and women.. like a tiny grain of mustard seed, would become a giant of trees..and 270 yrs later, Constantine would recognize that the mighty Roman Empire...had become 'Christian'

....no sword.. no army...no fighting..no terrorism, no bombs- the Glorious Son of Man changed the inner person, and made them new.

No.. fairy tales don't achieve that result...but the Spirit of God does

individual, if it's any comfort most religious types will share the same fate as non-believers if a god exists. There are so many ideas about god around that if one exists most who believe in a god won't believe in the correct one.

Even if they do believe in the correct god they may not believe the right way and gods seem to be rather fussy about that sort of stuff.

It's a long odds proposition to try and pick the right god then the right way of following him/her or it.

R0bert

RObert,
no qualms about your view in this quarter. S'ppose it's a wait'n see for all of us.