I'm sorry if you misinterpreted what was said vanilla. When I said people were paid off, it was never meant to mean they were bribed. I believe the correct terminology is called an out of court settlement.

Regardless of such things, I am at a loss by the venomous comments of some of the members of this forum. Keep the jokes rolling Foxy, yes I'm a Christian but let's face it, God has a sense of humor too, just look at the platypus. That's certainly kept the evolutionists at a loss. That however is not the subject being discussed here.

People are people, we are all made of the same stuff and have the same coloured blood. As Jesus said, "Love your neighbour as you would love yourself".

As for me being an anti muslim type person? I will remember to pass this information on to those friends of mine who are muslims. They would be highly amused as we often joke with one another about each others religions without the fear of being accused of being politically incorrect. Perhaps we are just old school and don't bother ourselves with such trivialities.

Here is a comment to set vanilla off again, do you call yourself vanilla because you would rather be associated with something that is white or a pure flavour? of course you didn't, you chose it because you like vanilla I would guess. I don't know you so I have no right to make assumptions on how/why/what you do. I would appreciate the same courtesy from some of the members of this forum regarding me please.

"I didn’t see you speaking out about the unfairness of this dickie despite the fact you know we like yourself work hard to help animals?" (Pale)

Sorry, Pale. You keep raising this blithering carpark thing but where the hell is it? To this day, I had no idea what it meant. Hennyways, I'm hopeless at directions!

"To me, it reads as if you are offended by the frankness of the bleeding hearts and the worthy Muslims." (Vanilla)

No, Vanilla I'm not offended at all. The point I should have made is that if a poster is quoting passages from the Koran, the Hadith or is relating accurate accounts of violence, perpetrated by those who justify their actions, by their interpretation of the holy books, then those who take umbrage need to justify their reason for taking offence or cease crying "racist!". If the reports are fallacious, then they have every reason to take offence.

"I mean when someone wants you to *not* speak what they know to be true because it’s not politically correct.) I keep asking for just one example." (Vanilla)

I'm not sure if the following example is appropriate - I'm all fogged up with this PC thing:

I once worked full-time for the Catholic clergy, for ten years. I have no doubt they would have realised that I was an atheist but I chose to be PC by not bandying that fact around the parish - though perhaps out of self-interest?

I even went to Mass three times because I found the Catholic hymns quite uplifting - much better than the Anglicans who insist on singing that dreary, mind-numbing "Onward Christian Soldiers!"

During those ten years, despite becoming very good friends with my successive religious employers, we never debated religion once. I remain confident that these fantastic people were well aware of the *truth* - that I was a "heathen" and no doubt would have been greatly relieved that not only they, but their employee also chose to practice a degree of political correctness by not divulging her beliefs or the lack of them.

Foxy
I am sorry but if i dont try to laugh I will cry again .
passive
You came from out of the blue into a forum and supported the most racist comment I have ever seen on the kevin Rudd Sorry Thread.
Then you backed up a email you claim of pure racist hatred
This post said I am sorry you were born black I a sorry Captain Cook didnt kill every last one of you or words to that effect.

Now you claim you are doing Gods work and that you WORK with aboriginal people! and post the comment below >

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, Jesus Christ that everyone may have eternal life". John 3:16
Posted by Passive, Friday, 22 February 2008 11:35:45 AM
Then you say this>

I deal with many indigenous people on a daily basis and perhaps those I deal with are not upstanding members of the community, this however is not for any person to judge, God will judge us all come the day of Christ's return. Be at peace with one another and love one another, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, Jesus Christ that everyone may have eternal life". John 3:16
Posted by Passive, Friday, 22 February 2008 11:35:45 AM

I say I am SO upset by the comment I the first place but your claiming to work with my people is just TOO MUCH
Believe me we dont need people like that.
Also I do not believe one word you say for the record.
Also I DO love jokes and I am happy that there ARE nice peoplein the world like Foxy and Ginx and David and many many others. It makes up for sick nasty people.
I am always hapy but I speak my mind . Prefer to giveout love and understanding than feel I must defend but some times you have to.

"Only today I see you commenting to not use real names." (Pale)

Err......where did I say that, Pale? I must be having a "seniors'" moment. Please enlighten me.

Foxy, much as I enjoyed your last joke, it was not un-PC. The opposite in fact. Ridicule and lampooning of Christianity is OK, and has been for decades now.

Ginx, my two bobs worth on PC.

'Correctness' is tied to morality,(accepted societal behaviours). When laws are introduced that do not reflect society norms they need to be enforced by, among other things a PC effort, to be workable. The largely successful enforcement of acceptance of homosexuality on the community following it's decriminalisation is a good example.

Otherwise, there has been a revolution in attitudes to drugs, to marriage, to sexuality, to religion and to freedom of expression in the last 40 years. Those in the vanguard of these changes have had to win over the hearts and minds of us all,(or enough of us); and PC has been one of their tools- along with law making and enforcement and education or re-education.

Blowed if I know why people get so excited by the friction thus caused.

Hi Palimp...

I noted your words

<<Those in the vanguard of these changes have had to win over the hearts and minds of us all,(or enough of us)>>

As for me..I look back over some of the methods used to change opinion, and I don't recall much persuading of hearts, more bludgeoning activism and shock tactics.. shaming..naming.. embarrassing... humiliating...

All with a goal of making those with 'politically incorrect' ideas feel marginalized and intimidated, and feel shame if they spout what used to be the social orthodoxy.

I guess because I've witnessed most of that, I'm so passionate about what to others seem like 'small insignificant' things and trends.
That's the 'social' me speaking.

On 'bile'... Ginx seems to be confused. She appears to regard 'presenting information' however unpalatable to her political/social sensitivities, as 'bile'... but the ironic thing is, she comes back with true bile by attacking people rather than demonstrating the flaws in evidence.

I see the same tactic being used in court where slimey lawyers attack the 'technical method' evidence was collected, rather than the evidence.

Once Ginx gets to the point of being able to say "Your wrong, and here is why" rather than 'You are bile filled scumbag racist pigdog' kind of thing... then the forum will have reached a higher plane :)