1. When I had exams for Greek Universities, a Greek priest took my forms and signed them. He blocked me from Greek Universities. During junta in Greece, a special unit of Greek Church hunts Greek lefts in Universities and destroyed their life.
2. I was in Germany, after the collapse of Greek junta, the Greek Socialist Party (PASOK) was trying to establish his local Organizations. One time we went to Auxburg to create a local organization. One man asked us about the religious. I said we are atheists!! We created many local organizations every where but not in the Auxburg. If we want to pass our ideas in main issues as democracy, social justice, peace, etc then we must be very careful with religious, except if we discuss to discuss.
3.I had a problem in Germany and the Greek Church offered to help me. I did not accept their help and of cause I expelled from Germany.
I was enough hard with religious in the past. Now if I speak for religious I do it to protect the human rights or to promote the cooperation between people from different religious.
I do not think our discussion is very productive. We can not change David but with a better way we can soften him. I found last weeks he try to minimize the cost on Muslims and he attacked the Islam.
Antonios Symeonakis
Asdelaide

"I do not think our discussion is very productive. We can not change David but with a better way we can soften him. I found last weeks he try to minimize the cost on Muslims and he attacked the Islam."
Antonios Symeonakis
Asdelaide

Antonios;-with my post, this thread has now reached 140 posts. I consider that VERY productive, whether I agree with some of those posts or not!

(As someone has already mentioned, you have clearly identified yourself, and it was an easy matter to get your location and phone no. Have you had an interstate phone call by any chance??).

I am at a complete loss to understand why you have suddenly become preoccupied with defending someone who I doubt could be put down with a scud missile! Your new chum has been taking care of himself and his own views:-AND strongly denigrating other views with extraordinary condescension, or outright invective for longer than you and I have been on OLO...added together!

God knows....??, the fellow is never, but NEVER daunted from his preaching.

The new found friendship is up to you, but please don't seek to dismiss 139 posts because of it.

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To more important matters.

It's interesting to see that the "Freedom of Speech" thread has been largely an exercise in the defence of FoS.

This thread has evolved as a discussion on what 'Political Correctness' actually is.

So;-FoS is defended. PC is debated.

If that doesn't send a clear message, I don't know what does!

FOS vs PC vs SF (stating fact) vs DF (denying fact) all hinge on the ability/inability of people to actually comprehend or choosing not to accept fact. No matter how correct & accurate a statement is, if it puts somebody on the spot it will always be denied & criticized. Only a few posts back I was accused of rubbishing for simply stating my personal experiences by someone who was nowhere to be seen when I had those experiences. My accuser may believe to be PC whilst at the same time rather opportunistically used FOS to malign my character. I put that down simply to indoctrinated ignorance.
In my opinion PC is as paradox as pleading guilty to something you didn't actually do in order to lessen the sentence whilst swearing "to speak the truth and nothing but the truth".

Actually Ginx, I think it is rather sweet that Boaz has found a new friend.

>>I am at a complete loss to understand why you have suddenly become preoccupied with defending someone who I doubt could be put down with a scud missile!<<

It won't last very long, though. Antonios is the antithesis of everything that Boaz stands for. He is an active unionist, for one thing, and supports broad immigration policies for another.

http://www.alphastandard.com.au/planetearth/

His worst sin in Boaz's eyes, I suspect, is that he dared publish in his native tongue, in an Australian forum! Shock horror!

http://www.rightsatwork.com.au/rightswatch/yoursay_comments?root=414

Scroll down a bit to the entry of 26th Feb 2008.

>>My text is in Greek and related with the rights of temporary migrant workers, new slavery. My english is not enough good you can translate it if you think that non aglosaxon Australian workers must have a say. Independ in what you think about us, we have our say, especial on the internet<<

Bearing in mind how Boaz is so passionately opposed to people flaunting their ethnic roots - even by supporting the wrong football team - this is like a red rag to a bull.

No, I predict a short romance, followed inevitably by disillusionment, disappointment and a sense of bitter betrayal.

And as with every doomed love affair, he won't thank you for warning him.

Ginx
1. I do not think we can change David's mind. Do you think?
2. While we can not change David's mind we can make him stronger or ..even a religious personality with political influence in Australia. See what happened in America. Do you want to do the same thing in Australia? You can do it. It is wrong to believe that you weaken David with this way . NO, YOU MAKE HIM STRONGER. Try to find an other, smarter way to do your job, not this way. I do not know what is your main goal, mine is the democracy, human rights, social justice, peace etc. More you hit a religious, stronger you make it. If really your goal is to hit the religious, do it indirectly.
There is a question who seems to be the winer and who really benefit from it. The way you run all against David, is the best way to make him a leader. If 20% of Australian population is not religious the rest 80% are religious and some of them very religious. They feel high sympathy for David, who (they think) attacked by atheists.
When I say not very productive I do not mean from participation but from the results. Your tools are not very good for religious people.
Do not mix the religious with politics.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Pericles
In this forum I wrote that,
Christians are champions in the crimes, two world wars from Christians against Christians, Colonists the best killers and magicians on our planet, nations disappeared, one genocide followed the other and everything was OK. Slavery the best business in the town, half African population sold as slaves by Christians. When first Christians won ethnics, they destroyed schools, libraries, arts, and created the best detention centers in many Greek islands. Crusaders the sharpest knife in the universe, they killed not only the Muslims but thousands of Christians , see Byzantium. Turn your head around on our planet and you will see who are the real killers. We do the main job but we blame the Muslims. They are good but to kill their self, as suicide bombs, the idiots! Today Christians have convinced their self, that they are innocent, the hypocrites.

Pericles, I thought you was more experience, The best way to fight David is to ignore him, without to show it. Religious people do not use their brain, David is smart, and you can not convince them with your way. If you continue to attack David you will make him a leader, there are many like him in America. DO YOU WANT IT?
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide