".........Do you realise that some of you have just proven my point?
You can't even open up a conversation on the topic without condemning me for even remotely suggesting the holocaust may have been blown out of proportion.
There are jewish people who also question whether it was as bad as it has been made out. There are discrepancies concerning the numbers claimed to have been killed and the severity of conditions at the camps as compared to the conditions that everyone in Europe was suffering at that time.
The thread here is about how freedom of speech is supressed by social pressure to conform to policital correctness. Some issues are sacred cows according to policital correctness and hence off limits to debate. Racism, sexism, the holocaust etc - I'm sure you lot can come up with a few more off-limits topics as examples."
Posted by GI_Jane, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 5:10:52 PM

How do I slow clap in a text? VERY VERY cleverly played GIJ......and May my Gods help me;- Graham Young!.!.!.!.!

This is a 'heads I win tails you lose' classic! Any disagreement with your statement proves your point! Ooooohh NICE!!

".....You can't even open up a conversation on the topic without condemning me for even remotely suggesting the holocaust may have been blown out of proportion......"

EVEN REMOTELY?.?.? Give me a damn break! You are not 'remotely' suggesting anything. You are arrogantly and boldly defending your abundantly obvious stance that the holocaust WAS blown out of all proportion. AND without providing any evidence of the Jews who agree with your views, or the source of your statement of disputed numbers/conditions. You attempt to get away with that by your gutless cowardice in hiding behind the 'freedom of speech' defence: "Question what I say and YOU are being politically correct, trying to censor my freedom of speech". (Taking time out to barf!!)

Ct/d.

Ct/d 2.

AND you got endorsed.

As I have said. This so-called freedom of speech-defence /political correctness-attack is bloody evil.

It is always, BUT ALWAYS being used by those who are determined to use whatever tool they can to prove that what they say is correct. The FOS/PC thing is the best way to do it.

Graham, I wasn't trying to equate Hansen and Watson. I'd never heard of Hansen, but came across the article when I was googling and thought it might extend the topic.

Graham: "I think the discussion does prove her point. There are some topics that you almost can't talk about in "polite" company."
But we *are* talking about it. In my circle, this would count for largely civil. I love a good intellectual barney and honestly don't see why this isn't one. In saying her point is proved, are you saying that political correctness is stifling Jane's free expression? If so, I'd love to know what she's *really* trying to say?

Dickie said

However my chief concern in Australian society is with the state and federal governments' suppression of freedom of information which has been to the citizens' detriment. In addition, I have openly objected to Mr Costello's endeavours to suppress freedom of speech when he legislated to charge the ACCC with the powers to sue any group which may see fit to boycott businesses they sincerely believe to be operating unethically.

pale comments

Agreed Nicky and what about the Governments threads to strip RSPCA of its tax deducation because they dared to do their job by highlighting the cruelty of helive animal trade.

RSPCA like any other NFP group have just as much right to Freedom of Speech as anybody else.

Morgan
I agree with you people should be made to use their real ID.

GY
It would certainly save many irresponsible comments that are quite hurtful.
However the comment on the Sorry not Enough thread about aboriginal people is so outragous and I do not belive it would be left there If it had been said about Muslims.

Surley at a time like this when Kevin Rudd has just apoligised to Aboriginal People this comment is more offensive than the young my Muslim Boy who burnt the flag.
Of course the list was endless but the last line reading as follows will be sent to Kevin Rudds office and every newspaper In Australia.
Because If SOMEBODY doesnt express their outrage it will go as a tick! of approval that you can say that type of things to our Aboriginal People but not Muslims.
Well there is freedom of speach and thats important but I be hanged if we will tolerate anybody saying that about Aboriginal people who have suffered so much!
So maybe we need some laws after all.
For those of you who have not seen this comment the following is a copy of part only =

="Captain James Cook first discovered this beautiful country."

Sorry
So angry for aboriginal people forgot to post part of a copy of this offensive comment! = As below=

This is the apology that should have been given:
I'm sorry your black.
I'm sorry you weren't all wiped out the day Captain James Cook first discovered this beautiful country.

Freedom Of Speech Sure= This NO

I have just received this email fro Melbourne;
Now to the current case - Ordo Templi Orientis
Do you remember Dr Reina Michaelson's case?
The Ordo Templi Orientis took a case of 'religious vilification' against her for an article she wrote about ritual abuse where she mentioned the name of their organisation.
Her case was settled after a 5-day Tribunal hearing in December 2006.

The website that posted her article and put her real name on it - was 'Gaiaguys', run by Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg.
[Gaiaguys claim to be a whistle blower site - we do not support all statements made by them. In fact they talked of aliens and UFOs and had anti-Christian comment on parts of their website.]

The OTO also lodged a complaint against Gaiaguys and Devine/Legg.
When the case initially went to VCAT in 2006, Gaiaguys wrote to VCAT asking what jurisdiction or authority VCAT had over a person living in NSW.
VCAT responded that that is something the Tribunal could consider when the case itself was being heard.
The case was listed for hearing on 28 May 2007.
Gaiaguys did not attend the hearing.

The decision was handed down on 27 July 2008.

Deputy President Anne Coghlan found they had breached the RRTA and ordered them to remove the offending material from their website and not make similar statements again.
Decision at http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2007/1484.htm