GI Jane and Boazy - a match made in some kind of warped, perverse heaven.

'I'm a great believer in "freedom of speech" and generally don't advocate censorship of any kind.

However,

Says it all!

Interesting to see extreme reactions to the holocaust issue. Nowhere did I say it did not happen.
I used it as an example of how certain issues are so politically incorrect that we can't even talk about the details. You are not allowed to question the possibility of details being incorrect. Do you realise that some of you have just proven my point?
You can't even open up a conversation on the topic without condemning me for even remotely suggesting the holocaust may have been blown out of proportion.
There are jewish people who also question whether it was as bad as it has been made out. There are discrepancies concerning the numbers claimed to have been killed and the severity of conditions at the camps as compared to the conditions that everyone in Europe was suffering at that time.
The thread here is about how freedom of speech is supressed by social pressure to conform to policital correctness. Some issues are sacred cows according to policital correctness and hence off limits to debate. Racism, sexism, the holocaust etc - I'm sure you lot can come up with a few more off-limits topics as examples.

censorship of any kind is bad but we must be a little bit responsible, mature, accept and support the freedom from speak for any person. We must learn to respect the basic rights, the human rights, the human integrity for any person. Unfortunately there are some persons who's ideas come directly from the dark ages, who's behavior is closer to the animals than to human beings. Freedom of speech is good but we can not avoid some limits to protect the integrity from other persons. Our permanent goal should be the extension of the freedom of speech to the maximum.
For example Muslims are evil or take your children and get out of Australia are bad comments. We must know where to stop. No very silly things which humiliate us as human beings.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

G I Jane,

There are laws to protect a person's good name and integrity against false information. There are laws against saying or writing things to incite hatred against others because of their culture, ethnicity or background. Freedom of speech is not an excuse to harm others.

Hitler and Stalin believed in freedom of speech - but only the speech they liked...

So as Noam Chomsky was quoted as saying, "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it all."

Or as Lenny Bruce once exclaimed: "Take away the right to say 'f...ck'
and you take away the right to say, 'f...ck the government.'

Cheers.

GI Jane: "... certain issues are so politically incorrect that we can't even talk about the details. You are not allowed to question the possibility of details being incorrect. Do you realise that some of you have just proven my point?"

No. Your point would have been proved if your post has been deleted. People arguing with your nutty ideas - calling them nutty, or worse - disproves your point. It doesn't look like there's any censorship on this issue.

"You can't even open up a conversation on the topic without condemning me for even remotely suggesting the holocaust may have been blown out of proportion."

That's correct, but we're arguing with you because you're wrong. If you don't want to accept we're allowed to point that out, then it is *you* who does not support freedom of speech, not us. Freedom of speech does not mean that we sit quietly by while you peddle BS. It does not guarantee you freedom from dissent.

You are not a victim and may say what you want. I'd advice you to use this power wisely, but I sense that plea will fall on deaf ears.