Let’s analyse each line that upset PALEIF so & try to identify where they feel the need to take legal action.

“You're a moron.” Your’re joking, right?

“ Racist pig.” That’s a par for the course ad-hominem leveled at the non-PCers on many a controversial topic. Deal with it.

“Get back to saving cows. You've got ZERO idea,” You’re joking, right?

“and if you're the quality of Hansons support, thank christ that scrag won't make it past the hick bandwagon.”

Unless you’re Hanson, or threatening to take action to defend Hanson, you’re joking, right?

“If you don't want your organisation's (ie PALEIF) image tarnished by the dumb and hateful rants of individuals, why don't you get them to post here under their own names or nicknames rather than as PALE?”

Again, you’re joking.

“Rest assured that I'll continue to refute and lampoon egregiously xenophobic, racist or otherwise hateful comments in the manner which they deserve, no matter whose name they're posted under.”

As above.

“Now legally the problem we have with these types of comments is we have to sue the person who has published it. Not fair on You and not fair on us.”

PALEIF, do you think it’s fair that your own over-sensitivity should translate into a problem for OLO? And for other posters?

Here’s wassup’s lines:

“I'm sorry your black.” Yes, that’s racist. (finally a genuine case where the term is accurately applied)

“I'm sorry you weren't all wiped out the day Captain James Cook first discovered this beautiful country.”

Yes, that’s racist too & beyond the pale. And maybe he really thinks that way, or maybe he doesn’t & was ‘fishing’ as he says (the rest of his posts there are positively mild). But freedom of speech trumps all, I think, except where there is immediate and present danger to people or the national interest. I don’t think either is threatened here. But very tough call on Graham. I think he’s done the right thing, by an atom’s width.

(contd)

Evidence of PALEIFs over-sensitivity - on that same forum you called for the removal of TammyJo’s posts & Belly’s too without any hard specifics to back it up. A casual reading of their posts on that thread reveal them to be totally inoffensive & innocuous.

“Also Bellys contiuned attacks flaming of pale and contiuned personal abuse towards a decent aboriginal lady (where on this thread did this occur??) should be likewise removed. TammyJo, likewise. Her comments straight out defamation of this organization" (ie People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming)

Interesting that you came in for about the same amount of criticism as wassup from other posters on that thread. To what extent is your enthusiasm for censorship of those who criticize the organization “People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming” behind your call for removal of wassup’s racist post?

If that post is deleted, I think most people wouldn’t bat an eyelid, but my concern is that it might start the slippery slope, eg “the apology to the Aborigines” post on the “The politics of apology” thread I don’t think is racist & should not be deleted, as controversial as it is (please go to that thread so this thread doesn’t become a repeat. )

PS - what a scary post from Robert (the post, not Robert!)

I have discovered this thread just now and would like to comment on the use of real names and monikers.

I must say that I agree a lot with RObert about safety; I too, am using a name as close as possible to my real name. In fact, some people used to call me by this name.
I have not only myself to protect but my children as well.

No matter what your honest opinion is, some people, somewhere in the world, will take offense.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of maniacs and stalkers out there.

Some time ago here on OLO a woman was able to take my identity and posted adverse posts using my moniker in several threads; I was glad that I had protected my real identity as I found it quite upsetting.
It felt like my moniker had been contaminated and for a while I thought of changing my moniker.

Changing a real name is harder.

With all respect to Taryn, I don't regard security, taking caution to protect someone's children or family, as cowardness. Protecting oneself and others is precaution rather than cowardness.

Anyway, *I* am the one who owns my name and *I* am the one who decides when to give out my name and to whom. Not others.
I would refrain form posting on a forum that would dictate to me what name I should post under.
I am happy for just Graham to be in possession of my real identity details.

Let's leave each other free to decide what name to use without judging the character or honesty of that person or asking for explanations.
It's a personal choice- just because we have a name doesn't mean that we have to give it out to complete strangers, who could then do with it as they please.

Even though I appreciate and trust many of you, one can never tell who's lurking around the corner...

This is almost funny
What are you all so scared of. If you write to the Parliment bank local newspaper school dentist Dr join a local clu etc you give your details.
Celivia The person using your ID tag was only able to do that under the false name system. Has proper Id sercurity been in place here is no way that could have happend. And it was ONLY a false name anyway.

WE have already had to pay out huge legal costs to sort out someone who was defaming us and RSPCA QLD
Do you honestly think that is fair that any nutter can make up a false name and attack to the point they a A breaking the law and B causing damage to an innocent party?
So you think thats fair do you?
Well we do not.
Now as it stands and if you like take this latest problem regarding the racist comment made about aboriginals if you like.

Again the way it is a lawyer has to go through GY and bother him pluss who ever is paying the bill for the lawyer is paying out huge costs.
So you feel that is fair. Ok well thats your idea of being fair its not mine.
So if there were at least a choice those who only wished to exchange posts with people who were honest enough to put their name to their comment could and- those who wanted to just lark around could also posts to others who were too scared to put their name to their comment.
So you see the real people would not have to worry about idiots coming in and purposely going out of their way to create drama.
So give people a choice but dont force people NOT to have protection either.
Thats is entiley unfair.
So you do not force your ideas of false names on me and I do not force my morals of honesty on you

Celivia- You submitted a perfectly logical, dignified and well considered opinion. I may or may not necessarily agree with you on some aspects but I fully respect your position. Long live Freedom of Speech!

Unfortunately the next poster came out with all guns blazing with the aim of intimidating you and others who dare have an opinion that varies from them.

But look, as far as this forum is concerned it, helps to view the situation kind of like dealing with a really pesky ole mosquito- you know- it buzzes around and pisses everyone off. No matter how hard you try to swipe the damn mozzie it keeps on annoying the hell of you.

Anyway goodnite for now. I need my rest from mozzie fatigue syndrome. Zzzzzzz.

Tammyjo

Yes she did.She always does . In hindsight perhaps Celiva doesnt know what happend with the racist comment . Its really upset taryn and a lot of other aboriginal people. We have had people email us through our web site from all over Australia thanking us for speaking out in protest.
That we could possible at least have two sections of the forum- One for people who only wished to debate those honest enough to put their real names to their comments and another for false names.

That is fair in preference to people disregarding that there is a real problem here for many others especially insuitions.


I refer you to your comment TJ after the racist remark on the sorry thread. You were an eye wittess as to how somebody posting a racist remark can upset and cause huge emotional distress and possibly a law suite.

That person would NOT have made that comment or spread a racist email on a political forum if he could use a false name which is the point.

After saying that Celivia if you think I was rude then I apoligise but I a sick to death of these selfish people who give no consideration to others.

I am tired and sick of paying costs for lawyers to protect RSPCA QLD and Pale.

Dont you see its only fair others who do put their real names or organisation to their comments must also have some safe guards as well.