GINX GINX.....GINX.....

I'm greatly encouraged by your interaction with Dannielle.... and your opposition to 'barbarity' etc..

I understand your reservation about how somethings are used to 'advance a point of view'......

I want slip in this 'underarm' delivery .. i.e..an easy one, for your reflection.

The idea that 9 yr old girls are considered 'adults' in Islam......

Can you guess where that comes from ? have a think...then read the rest....

If you guessed "Because Mohammad consummated his marriage to Ayesha when she was 9" you get a prize.. CORRECT.

Now.. from this very easy beginning.. it might be possible to 're-construct' you :) in a way which is truly supportive of Australian Identity and the need to 'actively' oppose the central values of Islam.

I can show very clearly.. from scholarly Islamic sources, that sexual use (I call it abuse) of PRE pubescent girls is quite acceptable.(in 'marriage') Not many muslims will agree or admit this, but when they see the particular scholars who express this 'fatwa' they have only one retreat...and that is "Islam teaches us to use our common sense, and to find the truth ourselves" there is nowhere else they can go.... well..one place, they can try to find an 'opinion' which is based on a mis-translation of the Quran, or one which neglects the supporting evidence from the hadith. This might make them feel better, but it changes nothing about the reality. The only other 'refuge' they have is to point to Mohammad himself as an example. But 2 problems arise immediately.
1/ He sexually used Ayesha prior to full intercourse, by 'thighing' her.... (but this info is mostly in Arabic.)

http://www.islamic-fatwa.net/viewtopic.php?TopicID=8330

2/ The Quran is 'above' Mohammad.. in Islamic law.

Rejecting the opinions/fatwa of Ibn Kathir and Maulana Maududi raises questions about any muslim doing so, scorning the opinions of scholars who are considered to be the pillars of Islamic thought.

Have a look at this.. and be outraged!

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/alshifa/pt4ch1sec1.htm

I see HOPE.... yes I do :)

Thanks Danielle, you've gone as far as you can to provide information. Much appreciated.

Ginx,

As this fidh document was presented to the UN General Assembly – Third Committee 60th session October 2005 - I wonder what the outcome was. Just the fact that the Islamic Iranian penal code includes execution of 9 year old girls should have rung alarm bells. It is absolutely, as you say, horrific.

It seems to be the same thing over again.

Arab countries are among the most influential and wealthiest at the UN (whilst having the highest rate of illiteracy). It looks as if this fidh document just got shelved and/or ignored.

Western media should look into such attrocities. Instead we get politics ... and whatever, the particular country wants us to know about.

It pays to practice what you preach Individual and you obviously haven't. THINK! There is no reason to assume child slave labour because of low prices. Wages across the board and therefore the costs of production are lower in many parts of Asia. Slave labour is not a given simply because prices are lower. It's naive to make such an assumption.
Ditch,
Did my post get you so worked up that you totally forgot to mention the many australian sex tourists ? Also, you assume that I'm assuming that low prices cause slave labour. I'm not assuming that at all. It does happen. What I am assuming is that your patriotism is somewhat in the shadow of "Cheap" imported goods and that the slogan "Buy Australian made" does not stir you up as much as a little fact pointing out.

So Australians have a reputation for being a pain and noisy etc do they? Just like Americans, British and Germans for example. Is this what you read in the papers is it? I bet you see it on commercial TV "current affairs" programs too.
Ditch,
YES !
btw, I was & now am part of two of those nationalities you mention. I just choose not to behave like they do.

"btw, I was & now am part of two of those nationalities you mention. I just choose not to behave like they do."

Well gee whiz. Aren't you just too good for words.