Let us look at it from another view for the purpose of this thread you lead the opposition ,how would you do it?
Your task is clear to start to rebuild, find favor with the electorate,and return to government as soon as possible.
In the short term given the recent polls and the election results a period exists we know as honeymoon is that true?
I think I would want a fair share of me too in my short term actions, maybe judge what the public think on issues and while asking questions go that way.
Just maybe for a while opposition for oppositions sake will be counter productive what do you think?

Dear Belly,

I agree with you. Opposition for opposition's sake is counter-productive. I hope that the Liberal Party will listen to their
Elder Statesmen - like Malcolm Fraser who systematically rejected the Howard Government's stance on a formal apology to the Aboriginal people, on the stolen generations, on reconciliation, and on mandatory sentencing. He called on Mr Howard to show stronger moral leadership. Of course that didn't happen. And they lost the election.

This time around they have to change their tactics. Malcolm Fraser reminds party members that, - Menzies always emphasised that the Liberal Party was a liberal party...

Menzies specifically rejected conservatism as a force within the Liberal Party. Fraser adds, "Now, reading those particular Menzies speeches today, conservatism seems to be -- well, the whole political spectrum has moved to the right... It's moved to the right and I think social issues, human issues have become subsidiary to economic and financial issues."

If the Liberal Party wants to be taken seriously - they need to concern themselves with not only economic and financial issues - they need to pay attention to the social and human issues as well. Otherwise nothing will change for them. And as this last election showed - scare tactics no longer work. A strong moral leadership does.

FROM A FORGOTTEN AUSTRLIAN, are all goverment officals so mean, we have mr rudd saying sorry to the stolen generation ,but has no compassion for the FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIANS and it seems no one out their really is seeming to give us any acknowledgement .we are real victims just as the stolen generation , or is it the goverment is still covering up the abuse that we occurred as children ,i know their will be some on here telling to get over it well if you come back with that comment ,you would be like those who don:t care about us FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIANS regards micheal a real FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIAN VICTIM

What we need is not an opposition but representatives that are there for the people of the electorates.

Look at NSW state for example on how labor dictatorship and policy have no regards to the people.

So until we get people who will stand up for the people and not party politics then we have nothing but traitors to the australian people.

While I will no longer respond to you Tapp, Stu please know I do wish you well keep in touch with reality friend.
If I was leading the opposition? how about petitions, say use my party's home page to ask voters what they think on issues.
Run petitions to be presented in the house on issues, mainly ones that can get support from not just sections of my own supporters.
Huffnpuff has an issue , I understand the dreadful pain involved, but I know whitewash is easier than truth for some.
Why not a nation wide petition asking for a royal commission and an admission welfare let them down?
Let us say sorry in the formula we have been told of , yes too you too Huffnpuff and your victims.
But to poll issues build a following would be a start for opposition.
I think the tough as nails head kicking style of the Liberals deputy leader may be best stored away for a while, it may hurt her more than help just now.
Nothing can change the fact it was a most memorable loss not an endorsement .

i thank you for your comment belly , i know your position as to trying to get better things for us all , as you say a madatory petition would be great but how many people would really sign it as we all know their are a lot of gutless bastrds and bitches out their , for me im trying to keep the fight on its just like im writting over and over again when i send all the details to the ppoliticians , in one ear out the other , your right in saying their should be a mager royal commission into every thing not just what i talk about as their are many other issues as well , though the FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIANS they are my concern as im one of the many thousands out their , maybe mr rudd might include the FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIANS IN HIS SORRY SPEECH TO THE ABORIGINIES . I SENT MY COMPLIANT TO HIM AND THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER ALSO KEVEN GREENE ANYONE POSSABLE EVEN DR.NELSON TONY ABBOTT ALL OF THEM HAVE MY EMAILS SO I GUESS THEY JUST PLASE THEM IN THEIR JUNK MAIL AS THAT IS WHAT THEY THINK OF US FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIANS , thats what politics is about lying to each other and covering up the dreadful things that have happend in ones life though in this case its thousands of lives that they have destroyed not just one persons life , they the goverment is covering up as to what happend to us children in these homes and they should feel a shamed as to what we VICTIMS THE FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIANS SUFFERED kind regards micheal take care all as the goverment don:t seem to care about us,.FROM A REAL VICTIM OF THE FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIANS

What is reality.

Is this the place where political parties such as labor and the unions treat the people with disrespect.
Lets look at Heiner
Daruk and the list keeps going.

Is this your reality.

The people that are destroyed by party policy
The people that are ingnored by party policy.

So when these predators start acting in the interests of the people we have nothing but lies and coruption.

Now what was said about the unions and labor policy was fact, this was said by the union at the newcastle meeting with all the labor and union slaves there.
Also if antone saw meet the press then the rest was about unions and how they would loss money and, oh no they might have to take a pay cut.

Not about the workers but unions.So for those who do not know what reality is then maybe you you take your head out of rudds backside and have a look.

What is it now 18 years those who have suffured over Heiner and still going, Labor and the unions shut that down quick.

This is reality and representation and people who will fight is what is needed not slaves.

same old parliament, same old politicians. and same mug ozzies wishing for a better result in spite of endlessly repeated betrayals.

"cheat me once, shame on you. cheat me twice, shame on me."

when i came here they tried to tell me the cultural cringe was because ozzies are so far from hollywood and cherry lane. wrong. it's because they know that parliament is going to betray them, and they are going to have to smile and pretend they like it.

fortunately, it truly is a lucky country. because china needs coal and iron, ozzians will have a good standard of living for a while. even politicians can't muck that up. environment and global warming they can muck up, evidence is all around you. they aren't going to solve the problems their existence has caused, so the luck will end soon.

I think we digress, the thread asked for ideas for change, just what would you do if you could?
Aussies have never trusted Polly's, any party , but the first Howard terms saw more trust than normal in him and his party.
Those election results proved it.
Today with every state, every territory, and federal government in ALP hands we can assume trust is involved .
Now those petitions, if every branch of my in theory opposition party ran them.
Not confrontational at first , things questioning say child welfare directions past and present.
Giving a voice , or polling upcoming bills to see how voters think, what would be wrong about that?
Is it likely? please tell me, to advance the thought that before Parliament even sits Labor is in bed with unions and betraying voters?
So much effort to what end? tell voters they got it wrong?
Again like Rudd did , some me too is needed in the first months , not devision .
While voters are weary of opposition for opposition first task is so simple bring the other party's voter to you but even before that getting your own lost voters back is task one.
Screaming and shouting, making outrageous claims clearly untrue are no help.
Reality has its part to play in politics, few Aussies are unhappy with our system, that is reality.

once again im back to have a say petition the parliment every way possable , also i wish to say ive heard a lot of talk that the goverment does not want to re write histrory or change history , well ive got a few questions about that , who changed our histories national anthen , from god save the queen to waltzsing matilda,then to advance australia fair ,why can those be re written but none of the issuse of the forgotten australians ,the stolen generation are having history rewrote for them once again, as their have been a lot of things changed since the federation of australia so why is it that the goverment is saying they cannot change the history they did it for the national anthens and many other things just have a think and see what you can come up with you will suprise your self regards micheal,we are the FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIANS AND WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN ,

huffnpuff, have you seen the site for the "Inquiry into Children in Institutional Care"
http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/clac_ctte/inst_care/

Whilst it is a long way short of an apology as the first order of business of a parliment the government response includes the following

http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/clac_ctte/inst_care/gov_response/gov_response.pdf

"The suffering experienced by so many children placed in institutional care is a matter of shame for this country. While past practices and attitudes were not always the same as those of today, there can be no excuse for the physical and emotional abuse and pain experienced by thousands of these children."

The sad thing about this is that the documents are dated from November 2005 and it's now 2008.

R0bert

to robert ,yes ive read the inquiries and i even tabled them in a court case ,even a judge stated in his judgement the complaint is plainy real and a tragic part of our history then dissmisses the case in foavour of the goverment , how much of a cover up is that , so if you click on my name on this site you will see all stories i have written so please robert take a look at them then get back to ok ,as im still fighting not only for myself but that of the forgotten australians

I have an understanding huffnpuff that your task is am imposable one.
You will not achieve justice, sorry it is a task too hard.
I have tried to get truth to play a part in government department but self interest hides the truth.
Now I truly do think a federal opposition could support petitions such as yours, every branch could be a collect point.
And that polling voters thoughts on issues all voters all sides can be worth while.
Not ever saying do not fight , do so forever and never give in , but know we must change the way public servants think.
An opposition could offer for public debate issues such as law reform, taxation relief for fuel, much more .
Todays government could be tomorrows opposition so my thoughts are not in regard to one party.
However it is not time to forget the election results, me too is no bad plan on most things in the short term.
Petitions can they be done on line? do we have an Australian site to do so?
Worth thought, many campaigns could get a start this way.

tapp ,i strongly thank you for your suport ,as it is we the forgotten austrlians are being swept under the carpet and the goverment of australia is still protecting those pedophiles who raped and abused us as children , i feel if i give up the fight im letting myself down so i am on the tpoic again as for anyone out their who disbeleaves me you have not read the full stories of what we suffered as children i know i have strong suport from some of you and i thank you as for those who want to continue protecting and hiding the truth ,your day will be judged by others a point in your life ,wether it be good or bad but you will understand if something like this ever happend to some close to you ,then you will be asking for help as i have been doing for ove 10 years ,im real im a victim and im not affaid of the goverment anymore the tried to silence me 3 years ago as i was put on life suport another cover up as the police closed the case , im still here type in kockpric.com and you will see the true story when you get into the site click on where it says behind the wall , forgotten australians are victims just as all others some cases worse than the other yet the goverment is still protecting them , i have started a new thread called forgotten australians are the same as the stolen generation ,i bet half the people on this site won;t even comment i read the first comment didn;t really help it so far lest get more attenion to this , if history can change our national anthens then history can be changed for the forgotten australians , good on you for your suport tappy, the more the better but i doubt that is going to happen in these forums ,

Belly, it's Brendon here. Rest assured that I will take every opportunity to remind all of the old truism that 'interest rates will always be lower under a Coalition government.'

I will hold Kevin personally responsible for rent, fuel and grocery price rises.

When he recants on his tax promises I will refer to him ever after as 'the lying Queenslander'.

I will turn my back on him when he answers(shut up Malcolm), my question time enquiries.

I join with Mr. Richard Ponting in reminding Kevin that the 1950's officially ended with the political demise of ol' whatshisname. And
may I take this opportunity to remind all that over the white picket fence is six and out.

Finally, let me be clear about this, no future Australian PM shall ever have to live in puddle in middle of road ever again. Ever, ever.

The post above mine made me laugh, thanks, truly I love it, humor and it pointed out the thread has become a victim and is not unlike an episode of the goons that great old radio program.
Not however the great wisdom found there.
Yet as I leave it to die in peace I think it recharges me.
Some may not know I am determined to clean up my act, to vacate threads rather than bash heads with a few who seem to come to hurl rocks in my direction.
I am proudly trade union/ALP from the NSW right, and old enough to know life was much harder once than it is now.
And that for some it will again be so ,maybe this year.
I thrive on the ALP victory, and just maybe know as I said long before it our brand name will be restored by it.
Follow my posts , you will see a constant thought that radicals in my view do more harm than good, in my party and my union movement too, my view I will never change.
Yet my movements both of them are victimizing the people?
Are supporting child rape? even it seems dragging our children to such a fate?
Good grief how could any man? any human? hide child rape? say it was ever ok?
Each of us. yes every one , will give more weight to our own views than others.
Some of us are forever wrong, every time wrong.
Just a though, we nearly did it!the thread sounded like question time for a while, just like Parliament.