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whaling and cultural imperialism

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I thank you for your reply. And your point is valid. Sustainability is what should be on our minds, not who is right and who is wrong.
It has allways been a case of 1,2,3 world people, trying to find away of thinking together. Cultural imperialism is fasist in its own ugly way, but the times will not change any time soon.
My main point is! POPULATION! As we grow, how long will it take befour humans eat everything on this planet.

In the time of the humans, we have caused the fastest extinction in the whole history of time, and yet, no-one see it.

The whale thing, is just another mistake, and how many more wrong decisions will we make befour we our self's become extinct.
Posted by evolution, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 5:59:49 PM
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You can trace just about any issue back to population, but you are missing a big part of that issue:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/population-sustainability.html#IPAT

Also, most issues require a proximate rather than ultimate solution. There is a limited use to blaming everything on population.

Plenty of people see the extinction thing - hence the term 'anthropocene'.

Food scarcity may not be a big issue any time soon, at least for rich countries. We are not far off getting fresh water from the sea. It is actually far cheaper than rainwater tanks which we are subsidising, perhaps even if you power the desal plants with wind turbines. Maybe in century it will be economically viable to use desalinated water for crop irrigation. Of course, the economics depends more on the demand side, as food demand is relatively insensitive to price. With greater understanding of nutrient flows (eg hydroponics) this could herald a vast increase in our ability to support ourselves, at least in terms of food. It is always the unforseen threats that bring you undone.
Posted by freediver, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 6:44:47 PM
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Thank "you" for the link. I enjoyed reading it greatly. I guess I have a genuine fear for the lives of my children. More meaning less for them.(population) What if my kids don't have the IQ that all of you have, then what!( drugs and crime!) Where will they go, what dream shall I present to them? These and many more questions plague my mind. Being a father now days is not easy,( but it should be!) and as population grows, the more losers there will be. Opportunity was still alive and well at the start of the eighties,( some may not agree) and with the pressure of advancement, I firmly beleve that dis functional and lost souls, will be our legacy of moving too fast.
The gap between Smarter and not so, and the richer and the not so, is way off the map. I guess humans haven't come as far as think. I just see disaster, or maybe I am panicing for nothing.
Posted by evolution, Thursday, 24 January 2008 8:29:24 PM
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Jared Diamond uses a 'two horse race' analogy. The two horses being population and our technological means to support it. We can't predict which will win. All we know is that they both keep getting faster and faster, as the stakes get higher.

IQ and wealth won't protect you if things get bad. The world is so interconnected these days that big problems cannot be contained. Australia's wealth would disappear very quickly if the the rest of the world were plunged in chaos, trade dried up and we had to devote lots of resources to our military. We are all in the same boat together and the wealthy have the most to lose.

There are good and bad signs wherever you look. It's easy to become overly optimistic or pessimistic if you focuss too much on the good or bad news. Ultimately there is no point worrying about it if you aren't doing something about it. That is, there is no need to let it get you down. Just try to do something positive.
Posted by freediver, Thursday, 24 January 2008 10:28:30 PM
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Like what! Things are breaking down, and I hope you all enjoy your stress related diseases. Depression is eating everyone alive!( young and old). It still comes back to the same theory! Put ten rats in a box, and they fight and kill one-another. But put two rats in the same box, and they breed and multiply.

Back to the point!

SAVE THE WHALES! Because we are not saving ourselves.
Posted by evolution, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 11:19:23 PM
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Wouldn't it be better to actually save ourselves? Saving the whales instead would be an irrational distraction. If depression is the biggest problem you can come up with, I think we are doing pretty well.
Posted by freediver, Thursday, 31 January 2008 11:35:06 AM
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