Steel,

Your a terrorist sympathiser and as such are not fit to live in my country.

I'm pretty confident ASIO's got your number.

Habib got what was coming to him, these things happen when your a terrorist. Its a shame Haneef didnt get the same treatment.

Got that retard!

Dear Scotty,

How can you pin labels on people when you know nothing about them.
You're calling me 'leftist' and referring to 'my mob.'

I don't belong to any 'mob.' And my views are my own. I'm not left or right. I like to think logically and objectively. Or at least I try. And then I make up my mind. I cringe at 'labels.' Because I feel very strongly that whether we choose to destroy our civilization or save it, it is a collective decision - and one that may well be made within our lifetimes. I don't judge you. I'm simply disappointed.
Because if you really want to solve any problem - you don't do it by alienating the people you may want to reach. Especially the moderates in the group.

Instead of preaching hatred and pointing fingers we can divert our energy and resources to the real problems that face us. including poverty and disease in this country, injustice, oppression, and the devastation of our natural environment.

We may hope and trust that our ultimate choice will be to enhance the life on this beautiful brown land on which all of us 20 million share our adventure.

AJLEBreton..

Not sure what you were trying to say in that little burst of Indo/Malay... but it seems to mean "bathe as the prophet Jesus did before Christmas again" ? to which I ask 'HUH' ? Try english :)

STEEL/FOXY... this is a most interesting topic actually. Let me see if I understand the 'non Muslim/Western/Individualist' meaning you blokes are referring to.

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1/ The threat of war, and the constant pointing to an 'enemy' is good for strong government, stripping the masses willingly of many of their freedoms.
2/ The 'enemy' we hear about each day, is not real, but more an invention of the abovementioned oligarchy for the abovementioned objectives.
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Have I got it right there ?

Now.. IF....that were so,

1/ could you please explain to me the many many terror attacks on Western, including Australian interests and people ?

2/ The other problem with this idea, is that:
a) We have 13 men in Melbourne, and 11 in Sydney soon coming to trial for allegedly plotting terrorist acts against us. (If ur in Melbourne, come along with me in Feb to the trial.. see them for yourselves)

b) The 'foundation documents' of the 'enemy' are abundantly clear, that they view the non 'them' world as being 'infidels, deluded, perverse, and in serious need of being fought in war, to bring in the rule of Allah.

Surah 9:29 in the Quran is basically a declaration of unending war against non 'them' peoples in the name of their religion.

Now.. while SOME members of SOME branches of that faith do NOT subscribe to the last point. MANY do, and MANY (yes..I'm shouting) are prepared to take up arms for that cause. The issue for us is.. "how many is...'many'?" and... "are they a real threat or imaginary?"

I conclude from considerable reading and research that they are not only many, but also a real threat.
if you conclude differently, I'd like to see evidence to support your claim.
cheers.

Dear BD,

Fanatics exist in every religious group. And hatred is preached from many sources. All you have to do is study history to see this.

Criminals don't just come from one group. They are numerous and of a variety of persuasions. The Russell Street bombing in Melbourne was not done by Muslims. We have robberies, murders, rapes, all over the country, all you have to do is read the daily newspapers and watch the news on television - crimes are committed on a regular basis - by a variety of criminals. It does not mean we have to target a particular group.

Foxy,

Its a bit of a stretch to compare australian career criminals to religious fanatics that we have imported voluntarily.

The big difference here is that now we are much more empowered with the knowledge that Muslims are dangerous to our society and as such ergo: should be at the bottom of the list of potential immigrants or refugees to our lands.

As for career criminals well they have been part and parcel of how heritage going back to the bushrangers.. Give me a Ned Kelly before a Mohhamed Haneef anyday at the very least they are a lot easier to catch and normally catch and kill thier own first.

You sound very much like a socialist/leftist to me madam.

You speak of thinking logically, how could you by defending terrorists, that is not logical that is insane my dear woman.

The days are near upon us when we may have to insist on the Mussilman to leave our country because they are to dangerous to live amongst us. Better we stop the flood now to make it easier to get rid of this evil amongst us.

I see Foxy! You argue for Australia to increase the incidents of violence, civil war and crime because it is part of human history - because it happens anyway by passionate people in all societies.

How about seperating the warring factions? Ever heard of borders? Ever heard of Border controll? Perhaps there is very good reason to segregate conflicting ideologies. There are those who will impose their will on others without consent or by violence.