Arjay, This comment of yours is startling as it implies the death of someone like Habib at the hands of our government (indirectly or not) would not disturb you in the slightest, an attitude I think you would find common in violent regimes or countries with a secret police.

Stuff The Bali Bombers. What type of Aussie would not want to see them shot.
As far as complaining about ASIO who cares what they do to these low lifes that plot to kill our familes and blow up ur kids.

Good on Howard and ASIO for taking a strong stand to protect us.
There are far too many Muslims living in Australia- and others complaining about us.

P off back where you came from the lot of you and get off our forums.

For the record I couldnt care less what they have to do to those low lifes to make them talk.

I pray every day for the families of the Bali victims.
Thats whats important.

Another thing- I think many Muslims living in Australia THINK Aussies are push overs.
Not so
They are just watching and waiting.

You came to OUR country and you were made welcome.
In return all most have done is complain complain complain.

Well listen up because I have got news for you.
Aussies take a lot then bite back.

Many Aussies have had enough of you saying its your country too and this and that must change.

Its not yur country but you can live here if! you behave and show some appreciation.

When I walk past you I would like to see you bow to the ground and say praise Taryn because it was her father and grandfather who fought to keep Australia FREE.

What a pretty name is Tarwyn. And what a big heart you have... it must be big to hold so much hate. Where does that come from ? But then there's hope still - if you can hate, then possibly with education you can learn to open up your heart to people who are different to you. I hope so for your sake. For you see Tarwyn - hate has a nasty habit of eating anything that is good - inside you. Thereby doing you a great deal of damage as a human being.

Minority groups have always had a history of intolerance. The Irish, the various national groups from Europe. The Asians, and now the Muslims et cetera. That's nothing new. And over the years we've worked things out in this country. Blaming an entire group of people for what a small minority in their midst does is wrong.

Not all Muslims are Bali bombers. Same as not all Germans were Nazis.
Or all Russians are Communists. Or all Australians - blatant racists.

Sure we've got issues that we need to work out in this country - we're a young country - with a lot to learn. Your racism is based on fear. Not a physical fear, but some kind of fear that is unrealistic. You seem to need somebody to kick in the guts.

You seem to want migrants who are here to go home. I think you're scared that they're taking over our country, well rest easy - nobody is doing that. The media doesn't help by focusing its attention on certain groups, giving you the wrong impression.

My father and my grandfather - gave their lives also - as did many others who came from other lands to make this one their own. They've paid their dues and have earned the right to call themselves - Australians. Before you tarnish everyone with the same dirty brush, think about what you're saying, and most importantly what it's doing to you inside. A person with such a lovely name shouldn't be carrying so much hatred inside.

TarynW: "When I walk past you I would like to see you bow to the ground and say praise Taryn because it was her father and grandfather who fought to keep Australia FREE."

Bizarre. How utterly, totally and egocentrically screwy is that?

How poisonously hateful and xenophobic. I'm always kind of surprised when I strike this kind of tripe, because it's rarely expressed in real life.

Then again, I don't listen to shock jocks or hang out with racists boofheads.

On topic - Steel, I doubt that ASIO is any more incompetent nor subject to political manipulation than any other government agency. But we really wouldn't know, would we?

foxy, none of the things you would like to happen are going to happen without my peaceful revolution. it's hard for mice to bell the cat, but waiting for the cat to bell himself is foolish.

as you have outlined, the tools of authoritarian rule are growing in number and range. only a countering will for freedom can stop the slide into a real '1984'. ozzies haven't got that will, the result of being raised as subjects, people without power to participate in policy formation. the issue is still in doubt, but as long as you don't grasp the futility of hoping to be saved by some outside agency there can be little doubt of the outcome. you must save yourself, the fairy godmother is busy in africa.

I would have more trust in ASIO than any of the open border brigade found on this forum.

There are at least seven ways to take control of a Nation.

1. By terrorist violence and civil war - subdue the will of the people.
2. By war - invasion - and kill the opponents
3. By overseas ownership - of raw materials, Energy resourses, Major Companies, the food supply, water sources and fertile land. (Petrodollars are one way to purchase shareholding)
4. By removing education and keep them ignorant so they do not develop their creative talent.
5. Army Installed Dictator.
6. Populate it with adherents to the ideology.
7. Convert its population to the one's values, ideas and lifestyle.
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Australia will be taken over gradually by a population explosion of Muslims (# 6). That is a non-violent method. You can afford to be nice people because you know in 40 - 60 years you will have outpopulated the former settlers. As a majority you can change the constitution and install shari'ah laws. Western democracy allowing personal and religious equality and freedoms are in direct conflict to the eternal laws of Allah. His laws must reign supreme in all the Earth. The mission is install the laws of Allah in all the Earth.

The freedoms of Western Democracy is fast dying because of the lie we are told by the likes of the Grens that the Earth is overpopulated. The thing is per head of population supporters of Western Democratic society have less than half the number of children of Muslim families.

The gross increase of childless couples, lesbians and homosexuals in Western Democratic Countries because of their preference for affluent lifestyles and selfish pleasure will ultimately allow personal freedoms to be removed.