If the "freedoms of western democracy" are fast dying philo, that is because everyone, including your lot, are too scared of muslims to accept them. You are too busy trying to vilify them and protect yourselves to even begin a dialogue with them.

Here's a Christian idea for you: You cannot convert them if you cannot accept them.

As for their children, if your ideas seem nuttier than their own terror nuts and they learn that they will never be accepted by you, why would they ever want to talk to you?

In some cases, terrorism begins at home, not on a foreign battlefield- ask yourself why and try and be humble about it for Christ's sake.

The fact is the Christian Church is having more interaction with Muslims than any other community group. You see - we want to have them more informed about Christ their prophet. The sad fact is that for them to convert to another faith even in Australia means they risk death which is enforced in their religious community. So conversions are few and far less than their birth rate.

How would anyone know if ASIO is corrupt, much less incompetent or dangerous? Ppphleeeaaasse. Theye are secret!

We have a islamo sympathiser jump on olo to espouse this crap and for good measure they lay the boot into the feds as well. Nice one!

Mate if your lunatic religion didnt go around blowing people up then they wouldnt be under investigation. Australians would be forgiven for being a bit muslim shy.

Let no one ever, ever forget that your mates killed 88 of our mates in Bali and I for one wouldnt give a toss how many muslims ASIO has to attach battery leads to testicles to stop that happening again.

Australia needs to have a referendum on the topic of where we take our refugees and immigrants from and what constitutes deportation as a first offence.

To denigrate the valuable and life saving work of ASIO and AFP whos men and women put thier lives on the line to protect scum like the person who started this thread is disgusting.

But then again its what one has come to expect from the islamophilia infected socialists that would rather see us slaughtered like lambs by the scum they protect.

Dear Scotty,

I'm frightened. Not for myself, but for you. When people are in a state of hostility, each tends to 'demonize' the other and attributes all manner of wickedness to the 'opposing' side.

For example, Iranians tend to demonize Iraqis, and Iraqis tend to demonize Iranians; Israelis tend to demonize Syrians, and Syrians tend to demonize Israelis. What is often striking to outside observers is the similarity of each side's images of the other.

You see yourself - in one way, but how do you suppose - you appear to others?

Dearest Foxy,

I personally dont care one bit what you leftist loonbags or potential terrorists think of me.

Your mob are leftists before your Australians at best your traitors to your own people.

Im sure your parents are proud.

Id like to send you a white feather.

The scabarous, decrepit underbelly of Australia rears it's ugly head. What does it look like? Fear. Parnaoia. Hate. Blindness. Ignorance. Intolerance.

You have all of those traits in spades SCOTTY. The terrorists have won in your case. You are cowardly and spineless, like TarynW. I don't pity you, because you're a danger to your fellow citizens and your paranoia, hatred and ignorance is a deliberate choice.

Let me be short and to the point:

You and TarynW are fools. Jack Roche contacted ASIO three times in 2000. He "had the phone numbers, addresses and email contacts for the Malaysian-born terrorist Hambali, operations chief for the Indonesian militant group Jemaah Islamiah, and for al-Qa'ida mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed"

Do you know who Hambali is? Do you know who Khalid Sheik Mohammed is?

> "Hambali, who WENT ON TO MASTERMIND THE 2002 BALI BOMBINGS before his eventual arrest in Thailand in 2003, and September 11 plotter Mohammed are now being held at the Guantanamo Bay facility in Cuba"

In other words, HAD NOT ASIO IGNORED ROCHE, Bali and perhaps even September 11, 2001, COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED.

Got that you retard?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22865533-5001561,00.html
December 04, 2007

This of course is on par with the catastrophic failure to see through the lies about Iraq's WMD capability. I didn't believe the lies. How could they put Australian security and honour at risk by being part of an aggressive, illegal foreign war? Too easily. They went along with assesments of known, corrupt agencies and countries with foreign policy infamous for it's hypocrisy, criminality and flagrant self-interest.

And now we hear of them betraying innocent Australian citizens like Habib to foreigners who kidnapped him to be tortured or executed against the bedrock principles that our western civilisation was founded upon. Or like the AFP, conspiring to deprive Haneef from the rightful liberty granted him by a magistrate, an enforcer of law and justice.