I owe you a great big thank you Julie, here it is do you understand you have lost the senate?
That your post overlooks the mandate Labor has? do you understand your party dare not ignore that mandate? and while it will winge it will pass the new labour laws?
I suspect you will find some support from within the shrunken few left in the house on your side.
But those intent on rebuilding will hope you remain silent.
However reality break, not for another 25 years at least under our system will you control the senate if ever.
Labor two will never control it in that time or maybe ever.
And Julie if your side of the house ever follows your path it may take even more time to return to power.
Understand the importance of such a defeat, such a turn around from landslide victory to even greater, much greater defeat ,in one term.
Dream if you must but the darkest days of your party are now.
The short term future? worse.
Serve your party best by understanding your pain is best kept locked away it only adds to my joy and your party's time in the wilderness
So thanks!~ my kindest regards, you remind me why we had to remove your mob.

I have no idea who the "Social Democrats" are, but "Julie Vickers" is definitely a troll. I recommend withholding food and oxygen.

The saddest thing about Julie's post is this 'WE'....may..etc

Julie... knock knock....When it comes to government, it should not be about 'us/them' in the sense you mean it.

It seems you feel (from the tone of your post) that 'workchoices' is something which benefits the 'we' in your post. When it SHOULD be about work place justice on both ends of the spectrum Employer/Employee and all that in a framework of true national interest.

But hey.. for that to happen, people would need to be living selfLESS lives, rather than selfISH....and perhaps a bit of 'repentance' might not go astray. No..I'm wrong.. A LOT of repentance is needed.
The left.. needs to repent from '"Nowwwww we have the P-O-W-E-R..we'll show those 'Bosses' who really runs the show" and the Right needs to repent from "AAah.. now that (or 'if') we run the show we can keep the workers under control and enhance our wealth".

So, Julie, and others.. why not look to Jesus. Even those close to him said "Oh Lord.. let us sit at your right and left hand in glory"

So there is human nature. "ME....Me....and more of... ME"
Until people are renewed at the heart/spirit level, it will always be 'them/us'... and winning politicians will continue to make post victory speeches about "We intend to govern for the WHOLE country" which they always forget 5 minutes later.

Boazy: "... why not look to Jesus"

I don't know which is worse, the prattling of an insufferable godbother or the tripe of an obvious troll.

CJ.

It's the godbotherer. Way worse.

This has to be about the dodgiest assessment of the political climate I've ever seen.

And I've been known to read pieces by Dennis Shanahan...