One final thought ...

If Michelangelo were a heterosexual, the Sistine Chapel would have been painted basic white and with a roller ...

Nice point Foxy! Much of renaissance art and learning would have never happened, so perhaps we should all be a bit more open-minded. Obviously even the church was happy to tolerate the practice at that point!

Another point, same-sex couples are not entitled to the marriage breakdown CGT rollover relief on the division of assets (even though hetero defacto couples are). Another area of inconsistency, that I cant see has any basis behind it.

Actually, if you look back through history, there's a very amusing period that evolved from the renaissance, wherein the church was incredibly liberal.

Heck, pope Pius II fathered two illegitimate children.

What's more, you had plenty of senior church figures indulging in illicit relationships - not only heterosexual ones either. The old greek and roman habits of having boy lovers made a bit of a comeback for a while there.

I do get amused when I see people pointing to homosexuality as some kind of sign of a deteriorating society, when in truth it's existed among most world civilisations, it was just the puritan hangups on sex that came as baggage with church orthodoxy which repressed it in western civilisations.

I guess they can argue that it was a sign that the previous empires were in decay, but the truth of the matter was it was peppered right throughout them from the beginning - the greek empire, which essentially was the foundation for western civilisation before even rome, which existed long before christians made an appearance, never had issues with homosexuality. It was a part of their culture from the beginning and they saw it as pretty harmless - in fact, many men had wives purely for procreation and young men for other pursuits...

No doubt this kind of behaviour is seen today as decadent and insulting, but after an appraisal of history, these attitudes seem much more like an offshoot of the sexual hangups brought about with the spread of christianity.

I think we have many things to thank christianity for, but this ain't one of em.

Turn Right Then Left,

"Heck, pope Pius II fathered two illegitimate children."

He did have the two illegitimate children before he was ordained at age 40. Have you read about St Augustine?

TRTL aha so now we see why you don't care about the children. You have a hidden agenda. This is all about being a right wing sexist who thinks perverts can help you oppress women because in ancient Greece when women and kids were oppressed they happened to do perverted things to the kids. I was wondering why you didn't worry about kids and kept trying to play trivial pursuit. I am fully happy for homos to have any civil rights their creative minds come up with but only genuine ones. Children get protected so marriage is out. You want a society like ancient Greece where women are uneducated and stuck in the house being good little housewives and men can do whatever they like. In ancient Greece this included exploiting boys. You think ancient Greece's organised exploitation is something to look up to. You make me sick!

Also Christians have done nothing good with their pretend person in the sky and the only thing you got right is that they have made people sexually repressed.

Countrygal Jw2040 spews out hatred all the time and you write it off as generally nothing with some annoyanc. That is just amazing. Just so you know here in the city anal sex with dogs is also seen as a perversion and accusing Jack of it was about as hateful as it gets. But seriously you idolise his facist approach. Your wasting your time with this one he is a homo.