Dear TRTL,

You argue so well! I fully agree - it has to be oil!
If it's human rights - why aren't we in North Korea, Burma, China, Iran, Syria, Zimbabwe, et cetera ... And where does it stop?

It is beyond all comprehension that there are STILL those who will slavishly follow the "Simon Says" rhetoric of the Bush Administration.

I agree totally with your last post TRTL.

Gism XX, I couldn’t help myself after reading your ‘I care little for what is levelled at me personally. If I dish it out; I take it.’ It really cracked me up that you were pretending that you could ‘take it’. That’ll be the day. So, what am I not going to do again?
Your previous contributions to this thread were ‘What an unintelligent little twerp you are!’ and ‘you ARE an unintelligent little twerp’. At least you’re consistent.
You whine about me posting an attack on you but I thought that you could ‘take it’. You certainly love to dish it out.

TurnRightThenLeft, my ‘typical leftie response’ comment is based on my own experiences. A few years ago, I was part of a movement that was in opposition to extreme Left groups. Any time a subject was able to be debated, we would come up with reasonable responses and arguments. Whenever the Leftists could not come back with an appropriate reply, they would resort to the tactics of name-calling and insults. It happens on TV debates too.
In Britain, anyone who opposes more power to the EEC is labelled a ‘Little Englander’. Here in Oz, anyone who is wary of more immigrants is a ‘racist’. Anyone who wants to maintain our culture is also a ‘racist’, ‘Islamophobe’ etc.
I suppose that it also comes about as the media is politically biased, not always pro-Left but invariably anti-Right.

Foxy, oil it is. When the Yanks reached peak oil, they had to find more sources. They were already geared up to invade Afghanistan (phase 1) before 9/11 ‘conveniently’ came along. Then they dreamed up the WMD scenario to enact phase 2, Iraq.

Know what I think is so great? Here we all are - arguing about the subject ... whatever our political persuasion - we obviously all CARE!
And that's what I think is terrific! WE CARE!

And if more people were able to discuss things (instead of going to war) perhaps we'd realize that - although we may think differently,
there's a common link - our humanity! Perhaps, if instead of focusing on our differences, we could focus on what we have in common.
i.e. not what separates us, but what unites us...

What organisation was that Jack? Australia New Nation or Stormfront perhaps? These types of organisations all claim to be "opposition to extreme left groups", but actually use arguments straight out of white power handbook and try to give an air of respectability to a fringe attitude.

And ET, I never believed that the Americans wanted to steal Iraqi oil, they cannot do that. They'll pay for it. But what the Americans needed was a reason, a pretext, to establish a near-permanent military presence in the Middle East and destabilisation of the region so as to keep oil prices at an affordable level for the US and to ensure a continuity of supply through the decline after peak oil. Once the oil runs out, the Americans will no longer need the Middle East. Jack is at least correct in this.

Continuity of supply is much more important than price. They also want to make sure that the US is a preferred customer over Europe.

And EasyTimes, if you think it's about democracy and removing dictatorships, tell me what do the Americans propose to do about Burma?

What did I mean JSP1488?

You have already been banned from this site. You will be again.

You are not 'dishing it out'. This is different. This is a personal vendetta.

You rejoined this forum 18 days? after being banned.

I disliked your Neo-Con views then, and I dislike them now. If people like you ridicule the views held by many, then I WILL call them and you, unintelligent little twerps.

YOU are also spineless.