I just thought I would provide you with more of what General Sanchez said - Could we be in another Vietnam?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPIjMa-HJc

What brought our troups home from the Vietnam war were We changed Governments, 2. We the People saying enough is enough. 3. USA lost the war! Our soldiers didn't the USA politicians did!

Well so far Australia has had few casualties (How are they going by the way - the forgotten people) and the tragic death of another soldier (I won't mention his name out of respect for his family)now being investigated by the NSW coroner.

The fact that we haven't lost more is a blessing - so let's bless our soldiers lives more by "Bringing them Home".

This is an illegal war under International law based on falsified intelligence and we need to get our ADF personnel out of there.

This war has killed 10's if not 100's of thousands of innocent Iraqi's and the death toll keeps rising. Over 4000 coalition forces have been killed.

Now Turkey want to invade the Kurds... Maybe you should watch this - even though it is humour to see how hypocritical the USA position is!

Sometimes it takes comedians to expose the truth as only they can... afterall we can't trust the main stream media to give us the facts and we definitely can't trust Howard, Bush and co.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=121852&title=aasif-mandvi-turkey-lurking

Steel proved my point about people who hate the United States and no matter what actions the United States takes people like Steel will always be foaming at the mouth like a chimp with an itchy bottom when ever anybody mentions America. Its rather sad and petty of him but very unsurprising.

What you need to consider is how many people were dying before the liberation of Iraq because of the UN sanctions. As stated in the link in my first post at least 227 000 children under 5 died between 1990 -1998 and that was a conservative estimate. This is appalling number of young children die!

But you can be certain that the anti Iraq war crew carefully forgets this (because its very inconvenient fact) and in my opinion leaves you with no other choice but to liberate Iraq from the claws of Saddam.

The UN is a useless world organisation which is only there to make the average joe/pleb/villager feel warm and fuzzy.

People who are against the war in Iraq are a very indecisive bunch! They can sit there in the grandstand being critical of those having a go but when it comes to ideas themselves all you hear is the “sounds of silence”

I am sure these people would have been against fighting for rightness in WW2 they would have been refusing to act decisively until the japs where landing in Cape York and by then it would have been to late. Thank god Curtin ignored that lot then!

I say let the strong lead and ignore the weak and cowardly

"Ignore the weak and cowardly". Given your knowledge and reasoning powers are rather weak, and your attitudes often cowardly, I have no problem ignoring you.

Ok, now I'm really confused by your argument EasyTimes. So, the US had to invade Iraq to save them from crippling economic sanctions imposed by the UN (and strongly advocated by the US)?

Makes perfect sense.

Opinionated2 – nobody pretends that the war in Iraq has gone totally to plan and I think in the next year or 2 there should be a draw down of US troops their! Or at least have them confined to barracks unless a major disturbance occurs! The Iraqi have to start doing things for themselves.

Dnicholson – My Arugments are sound and factual! Your vacuous post is testimony to the lack of substance people such as yourself have on the topic.

Bugsy it does make perfect sense because UN sanctions cant go on forever. All those children dying has to be stopped. If you lift the UN sanctions you are back to square 1 and you have a murderous dictator with lots of money building his arsenal again to cause more problems in this world. Eventually you have to say enough is enough

You understand now?

As you can see from all the posts against the Iraq war all you get from these people are sniping and criticism. Not even a peep about an alternative option on dealing with Saddam nothing just sniping and criticism.

I don’t pretend to be omniscient but I have a better grasp on the overall scenario then most people on OLO

I don't think that the US had any better grasp on the situation than you do ET. That is not a complement. All the planning went into having a quick invasion, but no planning went into the occupation or exit strategy. This is extremely poor work.

One stunning example of this is the "de-Baathification" of Iraq and the disbanding of the army. Even the Brits told the US not to do it, but Paul Bremer did it anyway. If it is Bremer's fault alone, and was not the White House policy (Condi Rice claims this), this still means that they appointed a man that did not consult the White House on major decisions but gave him authority to unilaterally make those decisions. If Bremer went against White House policy, why did the president say that he did a great job?

The whole thing is a cluster#### and the 'Merkins didn't know what they were doing. Of course you can defend it, but the fact is that Iraq will take a long time to recover from this and are in a worse state that before the invasion, Saddam or no Saddam.