Well, that's done it. I'm not going to talk on this subject anymore.
I'm packing it in.

"Gin XX gets all heated (could be the hormones)..."

"Gismy XX, go for it you misinformed cretin, you follow your delusions of who I am....."

This is bizarre!! THIS is NOT disagreement; this is sheer HATRED!

What in the hell have I said to you Jasper that has made you so obsessed with having a personal go at me?
It is exactly the same as last time. You became fixated. WHY?

I meant to add that I am sorry Foxy, I really am.

Easytimes - how amusing. Before you go calling me a hypocrite, perhaps you should actually check what I've said.

I've been making the point that the Iraq war was sheer stupidity. Where did I actually speak about the illegality of the invasion?
What I said was that an intervention in Sudan would have much more public support. In fact, I didn't actually mention the UN.
So before you go throwing insults like that around, I suggest you check first.

In relation to propping up the Saudis - are you actually going to try and argue we're not propping them up?
The US have a long and friendly relationship with the Saudi regime, which is among the most oppressive in the region.
If you're genuinely interested and actually want to get informed instead of spouting various bits of pro-US rhetoric, try this article for background, which points out why Saudi Arabia is at the core of this issue.
I repeat again, Iraq has been a distraction.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6107

Logically, speaking - how is it, you can think its better to be engaged in two unfinished wars with no end on the horizon, instead of of focusing our efforts on one?
Iraq hasn't been about the war on terror, so the question becomes, do you believe the actual war on terror warrants attention, if so, then how can you condone wasting resources on massive distractions such as Iraq?
Shouldn't we be more focused on the actual threats?

Hey, ET, take it easy on the caps lock big guy. I suppose we need to invent WMDs for Burma now, just to save the children. Having dictatorships and military regimes around the world killing their own citizens is a truly horrible phenomenon. I abhor it. However, do not for one minute think that the United States does anything that is not in their own self interest when they are dealing with them. Half-arsed invasions never seem to work properly, you need the support of the citizenry, and I don't see too much popular support for the president even in his own country.

And Jack, no vendetta? Really? I suppose you think that sock farming is quite clever don't you? Living in a world of denial as ever. You should get a decent hat this summer, I think the suns been shining a bit too long on that chrome-dome of yours.

TRTL - On what basis do you think an intervention in Sudan will get more public support? Because George Clooney says so? The Sudanese are far less civilised then the Arabs thus making it an even more difficult long term problem. You also have the Chinese there who care nothing for the people but everything for the oil there!

Iraq and Saudi Arabia are two different issues which should be tackled in two different ways! We are doing with the Saudi exactly what you champion TRTL.. talking to them!

What is it that you want done in Saudi Arabia?

Leaving hundreds of thousands fo children to die is sheer stupidity! Attempting to change things for the better is not!

The war on Terror is more of a war on an idea! Its next to impossible to destroy an idea but you can limit the financial support the idea has thus mitigating its potential threat.

I think the end is in sight! I also think that the term “war” is being loosely used in this sense seeing that the idea of a war involves battles not a little skirmish here and a little skirmish there! I think the “war” was won when Bagdad fell but the peace is still to be won!

Bugsy – I used the caps to emphasise the fact that the question you had asked had been asked 100 times before in this thread.
Burma will require a trigger nobody is going to do anything if only a few thoudsand people are killed. Its just a sad fact that!

Having world peace is in everybody’s self interest and I guess trying to install democracy in Iraq could be spun so that it is serving the interest of Australia and America!

I think a lot of the citizens in Iraq have a luke warm feeling towards the Americans! Not all do sure but it is a well known fact that most of the insurgency come from outside Iraq and are backed by the Iran’s.