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Convert all before the second return? huh

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BOAZ and CJ,
No offense but what ever the personal arguments are, well, it isn't answering the thread about are Christians to save the world.

I want to say to BOAZ that indeed, it is said to 'go' and spread the gospel to all the world, at least giving them the choice. That is what I remember and if Christians are helping a lot less fortunate peoples as they go about this, I would not say don't bother to confuse but just be a witness by example of the life you live.

Isn't that the trouble. Christianity is let so down by many who don't lead the life 24/7. Have to do it properly or otherwise hypocrisy is rife.

Anyway, if in trying to preach for example the Bible while helping these minority groups or otherwise, and the gospel is rejected, these people are no less sinners or evil than the rest of religions or indeed any non Christian groups. I guess it is exposure to and giving choice and never to right off anyone. That is one thing I feel clear on that to never right off anyone ever.

Why aren't other groups trying to get all people into their way of life. Just a thought. I can't see why there is the urgency with Christians.

I guess in the end we'll all find out one day. Meantime, I lead my life doing good and respecting others. I treat as I would wish to be treated. My behaviour was very much the same in and out of religion. I do not feel worse for being out of anything cultic. I feel all these exclusive paths/faiths/beliefs are indeed cults.
Posted by Cakers, Sunday, 14 October 2007 11:51:24 PM
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"When the Europeans arrived, we had the land and they had the Bible. We closed our eyes to pray and when we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible." Desmond Tutu
Posted by wobbles, Monday, 15 October 2007 8:55:10 AM
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Wobbles :) well put.....

some Televangelists.

"When they came, we were sick, they told us to pray.. and when we opened our eyes, they had our money and we were still sick"

Wheat and the weeds.. they both grow alongside each other.. till harvest.

Cakers.. regarding your important point about

a) "why are Christians so URGENT about proclaiming"
b) Other groups don't try to convert....

On b first... other groups DO.. and they do it in the same way as the televangelists. "Join our mob..and in paradise you will have recycled virgins you can deflower forever for your pleasure" (Refer the great scholar 'Ibn Katheer' for that little gem, not me.)

Islam has a branch called "da'wah" which is the missionary branch.
and..have you never encountered pesky Hari Krishnas?

Now..to the more important point. Christian Urgency.

Let me answer that with a quote:

a. "I am the bread of life" - Jn 6:48
b. "I am the light of the world" - Jn 8:12
c. "I am the door" - Jn 10:9
d. "I am the good shepherd" - Jn 10:11
e. "I am the resurrection and the life" - Jn 11:25
f. "I am the way, the truth, and the life" - Jn 14:6
g. "I am the vine" - Jn 15:5

More specifically, is this:

John 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

ENCOUNTER WITH ETERNITY. That...is what happens when a person is faced with the words of the Lord. Jesus is clearly and unmistakably saying here..that to be one of Gods people... in His kingdom.. something must happen. "Born Again"...(read the whole chapter for more info)
That is how John describes "Repentance and Faith"

James says
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,"
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 15 October 2007 12:47:21 PM
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I think the world would be a better place if people didn't feel the need to spread their views. Same goes for atheists.

Ironically then, if I wish to live up to this, I can't really spread my own view which is that everybody should damn well accept that there are other views out there, and ultimately, nobody will ever have a clue about the existence of god - and no, that's not an invitation to say why you're so certain it exists. The fact is, you can't be. The information you're using is dodgy.
It may be good enough for people who need to resort to ancient dogma written by the superstitious, but I have higher standards.

I don't get doorknockers very often, but when I do, my response is always: 'god wanted me to be an atheist.'

Technically, I'm an agnostic, but it doesn't quite have the same punchline as atheist.
And I dare say doorknockers need to appreciate a decent sense of humour if they're going to try and tell people how they should be living their lives - and beyond the fancy words, that's exactly what they're doing, and most non-religious people don't care for it one bit.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Monday, 15 October 2007 1:01:58 PM
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TRTL... I had to smile widely when I read your first line :)

I think the world would be a better place if people didn't feel the need to spread their views.

and..smiled more when I read your confession that THAT (the above) is.. 'a view' :)

At least you now realize the silliness of charging Christians with 'imposing their views' on others when all they/we are doing is exactly what you did.. 'expressing a view'

cheers mate
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 21 October 2007 8:50:01 AM
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Attempting to ban RU486 is not just "expressing a view".
Constantly lobbying to ban abortions is not just "expressing a view".
Lobbying to ban sex education or pornography is not just "expressing a view".
Lobbying against the HPV vaccine is not just "expressing a view".
Lobbying against the teaching of evolution in science classes and attempting to get Intelligent Design taught in schools is not just "expressing a view".
Lobbying to get all embryonic stem cell research banned is not just "expressing a view".
Lobbying against gay rights is not just "expressing a view".
Posted by Bugsy, Sunday, 21 October 2007 9:18:11 AM
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