Classic Boazy trick: avoid looking completely stupid by discussing valid criticism on another thread on a different one.

Why didn't you just face the music on the other thread?

Dumb, ignorant, hateful and mendacious discourse. An excellent advertisement for your faith - not!

BOAZ...

Is it up to Christians to 'save the world'. It is an impossible task as it is only one faith of so very many. One mere belief system only where there are many non religious groups helping in the world.

I am saying that some tribes do have pagan beliefs according to us! Natural selection may occur here like animal species. So who is to say that converting to Christian ways is any more right for them.
I would say there are cases where remote peoples would've survived a lot of years without interference from outsiders.

Look at NZ in the 19th Century, with white men coming into the country as missionaries and 'converting' these tattoo covered Maori! They look absurd with a Bible in there hand. They ought to have been left be. Instead wars came of it and look today where The Treaty is at!

I want to say that Christians going into a new land as missionaries, have an agenda to 'convert'. Can't they just help people live better without it. Witness with works.

In my past I behaved the same whether 'in religion or out'. I do not bring knowing harm to others, I respect them, I treat them as I would expect to be treated. Is your upbringing, not the Bible in the long run. I am saying you don't have to be a Christian to be a nice person. I help others willingly as it is my nature to serve. Surely all beliefs out there have some similar tendency with their peoples. Is the only way they know how, being based on teachings, their own peoples history and that from the elders.

I do 'works' but I am not in religion. I have a lifestyle that doesn't impinge on anothers beliefs. IF sitting at the feet of an older adult as I nurse and wash their feet isn't where it is at (I am an aged care RN), well I may never be good enough. Look after our own people better and first. Another debate could arise on that one too.

CJ... watch that space.. ran out of posting opportunities. CJ I note you resorting to personal abuse.. again.. you know that's the sign of no argument. It is not 'my' faith..if it was you would be most welcome to reject it and by all means use 'me' as a valid reason. Such is not the case. 'The Faith'.... no matter how you perceive it's representation here.. is from God Almighty.. in Christ, and it is not about 'me' its about repentance and faith in God.. not to Boaz, nor to Boaz denomination. So... much as you might feel comforted by picking at my credibility or character.. you are still left with the actual Gospel..and your accountability to God. Be of good cheer..if you ever do turn your life around.. you don't need to tell me.. or join my mob... you can do it anywhere you choose.

Cakers.. it is not up to Christians to save the world.

It is up to Christians to proclaim Christ to the world. God does the saving.
Who is to say converting them is right for them ? :) I'll ask my friend Pauline when next I see her.. (she is a kelabit) and see how she reacts..she was rescued from one of those slow deaths in a jar when she was a baby.

BOAZ
I am happy your friend was saved from the slow death but I am also happy if water supplies and food does the same to millions of malnurished. I have saved someone from death, several times, from merely being a nurse of the aged. Though of course, the aged aren't getting any younger.

You are saying it isn't up to Christians to save the world. It is your God that does it. Too right Christians won't save the world. Hypocrisy is rife for starters but isn't for debate here.

Indeed, it is everyone's responsibility to be accountable to themselves and fellow human beings for your own conduct. There is so much hatred and war in the world, with anger appearing more and more in our streets. It is parents who are lacking the skills to do their job 'right'. I don't see any church converting the current behaviours in a hurry. I might start a thread on the latter; it frustrates the level of anger in our young people.

I guess we can only watch how we ourselves 'witness' to young people in the life example we set. Be kind, good and patient with others.

Christians and ANY religion can set examples by doing good for others but without the need to preach and convert via their own man made book.

Hi Cakers
humanly speaking I see your point. No argument there.

But in the case of the Gospel.. the good news.. I hope you wil attempt to appreciate the foundation and origin of the drive to 'convert' people.

I outlined the idea of the 'Great Commission' from the most oft quoted places in scripture. (about 3 posts back) Where Jesus himself... commanded.. 'go'... 'make disicples'.

The reason he thus commanded goes back to the very reason he came.

He did not enter the world to just be a 'moral teacher' or even a good bloke, or a healer.. he came.. as Son of God... and underlined this role by the signs he performed.

Given that the central truth of His coming is no less than the reconciliation of man to God... then it should be quite apparent why at least the choice or offer of that reconciliation be made known to the world. People are free to reject the Gospel.. and many, perhaps even most...do. That's their choice. Lets just hope they actually understood it prior to rejecting it.

Our role is to proclaim.. "Christ died...for our sins" and urge people to turn their lives around 180 deg to God on that basis.

Boazy: "CJ I note you resorting to personal abuse.. "

No, Boazy. I referred specifically to your discourse, i.e. your argument, including the ways that you choose to prosecute it.

Why is it that those who peddle some of the most hateful ideas in this forum so often claim to be personally attacked when their divisive and inflammatory vitriol is challenged vigorously?

I mean, Boazy wouldn't agree that he's "personally abusing" all Muslims when he continually attacks and denigrates the discourse of Islam, would he?

Hypocrisy is never becoming, particularly when it's so affected and precious.