Are we meant to convert every last living one to Christianity before the second coming occurs ie the end days? Well that is what I heard from a Christian arena a while back. What gives with that?

Who says that religious groups should be converting and changing the ways of peoples in the deepest darkest parts of Africa and so on. Don't say the man written word, the Bible please. What about Livingston and all these goody good ones that go on missionary work. They ought to just HELP the people less fortunate rather than having an agenda to convert them by giving out Bibles everywhere. Can't mankind just leave it be.

Correct me if I am wrong but the Christian believe the second coming (of Christ), won't occur until all peoples of the earth have been reached. There are so many unreachable groups out there; I guess the end of the world isn't coming anytime soon.

Dear Cakers
speaking as one who shared in the blessing of Missionary work.... I can impart to you exactly how 'Missionaries' have been used in the glorious work of spreading the Gospel of Christ..and its impact on mankind.

In 1929 a tribe of people in Borneo ..often called 'muruts' but they go by a number of names,were is serious decline. They had been 'ethnically cleansed' by other tribes (Iban/Dayaks...Kayans) who desired their land.. and they were now settled in an area where they had relative peace. Unfortunately there were a number of characteristics which led to their own impending demise.

-Hospitality..they were extremely generous..
-Drunkenness.. they were drunk more days a year than sober (Rice wine)
-The rice wine depleted their food stores.
-Animism..fear of spirits.. sometimes they would abandon a nearly ripe crop because of a certain bird flying across their path from left to right as they were going to harvest.

This tribe heard about some missionaries working among the Iban.. (who were unresponsive to the Gospel) and they were aware of some of their own tribe who had been transformed by the Gospel on the Indonesian side of the Border. They send a delegation to the Missionaries, and requested them come and teach them about Christ.
The whole tribe with few exceptions, became Christian. They were previously in such a bad way, that the government officially decided they were to be 'Allowed to die out'.... imagine the worst cases of aboriginal squalor...and you have a picture of this tribe prior to conversion.
Now..they have members of parliament.. lawyers..doctors... businessmen.. and are a vibrant growing community.

Conversion to Christ.. is not about 'economic well being and social advancement..it is about being Saved from sin and its debilitating social consequences. This tribe knew this, and has sent many missionaries of their own to the rest of Sarawak, and even Laos.

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Among the Kelabit_tribe, practices such as infanticide occurred as a result of 'spirit warnings'.. leaving babies in large jars under the house..with salt in their mouths.. till they died. Not to mention head hunting and raiding other villages to take slaves and heads.
Would it surprise you that "Missionaries" rebuked them for killing others ?

http://asianencounters.org/community/bario/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=50

This little quote from that site says:

They embraced Christianity during the 1940s through the influence of Guru Paul, also known as Nimang Tepun.

It also has this:

In the year 1946, the first school was opened by Tom Harrison, who lived with the Kelabits for two years after the Second World War.

Then there is this:
http://www.kelabit.net/kelabits/bario.html

"Shortly after the war, groups of missionaries arrived, chastised the Kelabits roundly for their pagan ways of life, destroyed many cultural artifacts and converted them into Christianity, almost en masse! Around that time, too, came the first schools."

You would not know what to read into these statements, but I do..as I knew Guru Paul personally, and heard much about Tom Harrison and spent time in that area, there are some Kelabits here in Melbourne (2)

Notice the difference between the statement "Missionaries chastised, converted them" and.. "through the influence of Guru Paul"..

Paul.. was Kelabit... not white. If you had met him.. you would never forget him.. an absolute character. His son became a Pastor also.

Tom Harrison was an atheist anthropologist who preferred them in their 'pagan' state for reasons of.... well..lets not be too specific here..but use ur imagination.

But to address one specific of your topic.. "convert all b4 the 2nd return" ?

We simply look to Jesus.. and the great comission.

Mat 28:18-19 "Go into all the world and make disciples"

Luke 24:44-49 "Thus it is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things."

This is why we go.. are sent.. and do what I do here also.. 'all nations'.

On Thursday a pair of Seventh Day Adventist godbotherers came to my door, but when I informed them that I'm a Satanist and that my partner is an Astrologer they beat quite a hasty retreat to the front gate, looking nervously over their shoulders as they went!

Speaking of weirdos, Tom Harrison was reputed to have gone nuts late in his career, and apparently went around ANU lopping the genitalia off various artefacts from Sarawak and Kalimantan before the men in the white coats took him away. Apparently he'd caught something from the missionaries he encountered in Sarawak...

CJ....or..perhaps he was just having some moral chickens come home to roost ?

I was not aware that he spent time at ANU..I only know his 'early' history.

Hey... point of order too.. on the prejudice thread.

You do the all too predictable.. I was simply underlining the existence of 'prejudice' in the Quran.. as a simple fact. How you get 'spreading hatred' out of 'pointing out obvious prejudice' ?

No..the Bible doesn't mention Muslims because they were not around.. I know that. I made the point in spite of that. The bible DOES have prejudice against homosexual conduct, satanism and spiritism and had you pointed that out, I would totally agree, I would not accuse you of spreading hate.

That article was by Irfan.. a sort of a whine about misunderstood muslims..and by now you should know that it is a hair trigger for me to point out some home truths.

So.. you still need to know Christ as everyone does,and (you) get away from this hiding behind 'you are spreading hate'. I'll make it easy for you.. come to Christ and then be the shining example you feel I should be in this department.

You are obviously using that as a kind of defense mechanism, and reading far more into what I say than is intended, so sooth your own soul and perhaps give sense of moral refuge?

I cannot see how demonstrating that a particular faith specifically vilifies another.. is 'spreading hate'. Can you support that contention on the basis of fact? Can you look at surah 9:30 and find any 'other' interpretation of it which is less vilfiying?

If you were a Jew, I have a feeling you would be quite interested in the 'content' of Mein Kampf

http://www.tafheem.net/main.html

looking at this 'tafsir'(interpetation) reveals clearly that the Muslims should wage war on Christians and Jews.. clear as a bell.
*27 and *28 refer.
Hizb Ut Tahrir defer to this scholar.(Maududi) You know my thoughts about them.

Certainly hats off to missionaries for such a small amount of people they have spread death and destruction that besides them only large armies have acheived. The word missionary should mean ethnic cleanser for that is exactly what a missionary does and seeks to do. A mercenary of superstition.

All gods are false gods including Jehova or what ever the latest pop name for that occult idol is now. To say a people are primitive and backward because they leave a ripe crop to waste because a bird flew over it is a bad judgement for somebody who believes in god. To ban abortion to please a god is exactly the same process. The belief in God afterall is in all and total fact paranoid superstition.

Yes birds appearing may be relics of ecological wisdom , endemic diseases of Africa , South America and the island world spread like wildfire as missionaries destroyed local culture. Taboos which prevented disease were destroyed.

The core Christian value of selfishness and greed also destroyed the community structure and value systems inherited in cultures and so the Christian value of invasion and conquer (Christianity is an invention of the Romans) made societies which co-existed along side of each other unbalanced.

Yes missionaries pat themselves on the back for giving a bandaid to the needy , but remember the bandaid is always and only given after the missionary has destroyed his/her victim.

Jesus is superstition , the occult poetry which claims jesus will come back when all has heard of him demonstrates the core ignorance of the cult as we know over 300,000 babies are born everyday and they cant hold the concept of monsters and spirits for another 5 to 6 years. This means zombies are delayed from rising from graveyards for 5 to 6 years from every single day.Still borns and late miscarriages, children dying by accident , disease and war delay the second coming for eternity. I hear Jesus saying "Doh!"