Easytimes - Anna Bligh made the point far more qualitatively than that single article you seem to think backs up your view.

What part of 'the Sudanese are UNDER represented in the crime statistics' is so hard to cotton on to?

A policeman talking to Jon Faine on the ABC made the point that in the same city as the bashing you linked to, at the same time, police were called to two other bashings that were done by white people.

Neither made the news.

UNDER represented. It's quite a simple point.

Isolated articles have a way of being cherry picked to present a particular point of view. I could just as easily go with this:

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22564357-952,00.html

"His funeral came one day after Ajang Gor, 17, was struck over the head with a bottle in Melton, in Melbourne's west.
Mr Gor was attacked last night by three men who then stole his wallet and mobile phone which they used to send racist comments to his brother's phone.
"We believe that was caused by Mr Andrews' comments," Mr Kuot said."

Go with the big picture EasyTimes - that is the crime statistics. And the Sudanese are committing fewer crimes per capita than the average Aussie. Thus, the argument is nixed.

Neither SCOTTY, PALE or yourself have put forward anything but anecdotal opinions to back your case.

TRTL – I cant see any stats for the Sudan can you please give me a page number. (Maybe I’m blind Freddy)

If the Sudanese are less crime prone then the average aussie surley the Sudan must have a lower crime rate since they don’t have many of those criminally minded Australians living there. I can only conclude from those so called statistics that the Sudanese must have excellent institutions which have worked more effectively then those out dated and backward institutions we have here in Australia.

If we go by previous groups of refugee’s from similar back grounds (Muslims from the middle east and the Vietnamese) who are both overly represented in crime especially organized crime.

The problem with the Sudanese is that they are far too primitive and tribal to be able to fully adapt to a western life style.

Some may succeed but many will fail and I am sure if we keep up our high intake of these people we will see this in the not to distant future with booming crime wave from people of this background. “Watch this space”

The main reason I put that link in TRTL is because of the attack on a police officer. He was simply asking them to get off the road they were sitting in the middle of.

FrankGol – The arguments and disputes Australians have with each other are nothing compared to the problems in the Sudan. Even you should be able to grasp this.

Frank please elaborate about these so called problems in Austarlia.

"The problem with the Sudanese is that they are far too primitive and tribal to be able to fully adapt to a western life style. "

True of Homo Sapiens in general, I would think. We are all genetically rather poorly adapted to living in a modern industrial society - unsurprisingly, given our evolutionary history. Yet somehow we manage. As will the Sudanese, even if some take a little longer than others - evidenced by the fact that immigration from all parts of the world has been going on for over 50 years with no proof that our crime levels are any worse for it.

Here, Bligh hammers Andrews over the crime stats:

"Ms Bligh said she had been advised by police this morning that the highest proportion of Sudanese immigrants in Queensland was in Toowoomba.
"The police data shows us that those Sudanese refugees are actually under-represented in the crime statistics."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/10/05/1191091327365.html

Here, Victorian Police Commissioner Christine Nixon adds more to that:

"When we look at the data, what we're actually seeing is that they're not, in a sense, represented more than the proportion of them in the population," Ms Nixon said on Wednesday"

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22535636-661,00.html

At the end of the day, if Andrews was right, he would have been able to provide some kind of statistics to back up his claims.
If you're going to make such inflammatory remarks, it's patently clear you should have some basis for them.

Andrews hasn't. There can be no justification for any minister singling out one group of people, without actual stats to back it up. For an immigration minister to do so, is truly disgraceful.

Easytimes, I understand what you're saying about difficulties integrating and cultural differences. In fact, I think more assistance for Sudanese to integrate into Australia would be a good thing.

But there's no justification here. There's nothing to back your argument up. The Sudanese aren't the boogeymen Andrews is making them out to be, that's quite clear.

I have yet to see anything from SCOTTY, PALE or yourself that can't just be chalked up to a negative perception.

Lets recap - in one corner, we have Kevin "most of what I said about Haneef was revealed to be bulldust" Andrews, representing the folk at Coalition "can we Tampa with this" HQ, versus the Police Commissioner, and police statistics.

It is clear however, people will believe what they wish to.
Which is precisely why Andrews is saying these things, and is precisely why people like SCOTTY buy into it.

EasyTimes another pandering pussy-footer, unwilling to substantiate any of his/her claims.
As ive stated before if there are problems in the community then it has more to do with a lack of awareness in dealing with the needs from people of another culture in helping them to integrate, and if there are issues they need to be dealt with on a case by case basis.

"The problem with the Sudanese is that they are far too primitive and tribal to be able to fully adapt to a western life style."

What a stupid claim, similar sentiments were shared by many people throughout history, such as Hitler and philosopher David Hume;

"Blacks are naturally inferior to whites...nor (is there among them) any individual eminent either in action or speculation... no arts, no science" your argument has come some 70 years too late buddy, social Darwinism was discredited a long time ago.

A study on Black Africans in British society, for example, found that;

"In educational achievement, African-origin blacks living in the U.K. have significantly outdistanced the dominant white population in a nation that, for hundreds of years, has treated African culture as inferior or nonexistent" furthermore " According to British census, over 26 percent of adult black Africans in the United Kingdom hold academic qualifications higher than "A" or college levels compared with only 13.4 percent for white adults in the U.K" (Cross T, 2001)

You've got a bloody big wall to climb mate, if the numbers of refugees need to be cut relative to the need of refugees of other countries then so be it, im sure none of us have a problem with that, but whats dismaying are Kevin Andrews generalisations of the community, which he is basing on only a few isolated claims.