Sorry RObert. I cant ever condone homosexuality, not for anyone. I dont believe homosexuals are born that way. They may be affected by a spirit power as part of a curse that goes down the family line because of the lines' earlier sins. God curses down to the 4th generation of those who have hated Him and His Word. It does happen. Most homosexuals do it because they LIKE it. Its no more complex. "Fallen" flesh is fallen flesh and likes certain things that are detrimental to the species known as mankind. Longterm immorality corrupts a civilisation and God tears it down. Where now all of the old civilisations? Torn down.
Your christian friend would be apostate and false if he says there are contradictions in the Bible. I have found none in 24 years or reading and listening. Everything in The Word fits a circumstance or an event or a teaching. Sin is a snake and if we allow it, it will twist our thinking and we end up interpreting what we find is appropriate to lusts and person pleasures. Homosexuality has curses, so does any sexual immorality including masturbation and those curses include getting satans' authority to torment. Many masturbaters have "the voice in the head' problem and live on psychiatric medication. Many gays will have a similar problem. Their lives show their miseries. They need to go to Jesus to be set free. He's the Only Power that can do it. Fundamentalists follow The Word because they know its true because the Holy Spirit convicts that its true! Do shoot the messengers.

Gibo. We only have your word that what you say is true.

Personally, I think religion is a prop for those who cannot face their own mortality.

So, give us a rest from the sermons.

Gee Bazz,

So you would have all women barefoot and pregnant and back in the kitchen then (or at least not allowed a fulfilling career outside parent hood)?

'God curses down to the 4th generation of those who have hated Him and His Word', oh bugger, my poor great-grandchildren. They're cursed to mince around at the Mardi Gras.

'Many masturbaters have "the voice in the head' problem', I thought a picture in the head would be more useful.

Gibo, the piece was not from a friend but rather someone writing an article I found interesting. As for apostate and false, no rather he appears to be someone who values truth, who is able to face the inconsistancies in his own faith with courage and openness. You don't see the inconsistancies because you refuse to see them, you refuse to acknowledge the body of evidence being accumlated around a number of issues (evolution, genetic basis for homosexuality etc) because to accept that evidence will bring you face to face with stuff that you wish would go away.

You hold to made up stories about homosexuals and masturbaters because those stories make you feel better about the harm done by your faith than the truth would.

I've not known many homosexuals (or not known many who acknowledge being homosexual), I have known plenty of christains and quite a few who I assume are masturbaters (not mutually exclusive groups) and the only ones I've heard talk about voices in their head were christains (and only some of them).

Enjoy your faith if it's whats get's you through but don't try and impose it on others to satisfy your own needs.

R0bert

Gibo,
"I don't believe homosexuals are born that way"

The tabloids are full of stories and actual life experiences, how "they" came to be.
It is very possible that gay people are in fact born with a prefference for same sex and there are those who only find out at a much later time in their lives, that they are gay.

In this day and age, it's an "in" thing to anounce one is coming out of the closet and I say good for them. The only point I really feel sorry about, is a gay person coming out of the closet once he/she is already married and with children, that is a real @rse kicker!