https://youtu.be/oMCPjzyYaxw?si=RO0mJeWKxYXqXQTb

This is a topic that warrants debate as to the the traditional "owners' vs longest established frequenting of this continent. How does this compare with perpetual claims of equality when literally all Aborigines or those who now claim Aboriginality on this continent, call discrimination when the products, commodities & literally all benefits from the colonisers aren't immediately provided ?
How do the Aborigines feel about the new wave of colonisers who make it quite clear that they demand conformity to their customs or else ! I have yet to hear one offering or improving the benefits provide by the first colonisers.

Yes, there are all sorts of different occupation claims, from all sorts of different people seeming to be in a competition to see who can come up with the biggest number.

No matter how long aboriginals have been in the land, they have absolutely nothing to show for it. There was no point to their existence.

I watched your video Indy
40% of Australian women hesitant to have kids because of climate change...

Armchair critic,
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Did it say that ? Which section ? I can't recall seeing it. Anyhow, the video I'm looking at has to do with the claims of the ever increasing number of thousands of years the Aborigines have been in Australia formerly referred to as Sahul.
There are now claims that Aborigines have ventured as far as past the continental shelf over the past several tens of thousands of years. Granted, the sea level could have been low enough during the last Ice Age some ten thousand years ago to walk out there but going out there in bark canoes seems less legit unless of course humans had a more advanced technology during ice ages than afterwards. During the low sea levels Sahul was not the isolated continent it was before & became again after that epoch. So, during the ice ages there would have been several distinctly different groups & it'd be interesting how one group survived whilst the others disappeared. Could the Aborigines have been colonisers also ? All very, very interesting indeed !

It'll also be interesting how long it'll be before claims are made of highly developed Aboriginal settlements on the continental shelf inundated when the ice melted due to man made climate change & the inhabitants were forced to retreat to higher ground now referred to as Australia.
Future claims will only be restricted by the limits of imagination of those benefitting from ever evolving imaginable possibilities.

Indy,

Another exercise in Abo bashing, no mention this time of those "Concrete Jungle Bunnies", a term you use to denigrate Aboriginal people living in cities. How about posting your own history, you're to ashamed to even admit where you came from. Proud Aussie here, the same can't be said for YOU!

the same can't be said for YOU
Paul1405,
Lol but not in a funny context. Unlike you I care about this Nation ! Nor do I as you do have to resort to lying.

Paul1405,
Instead of playing Mr Racist why not offer some insight to this from your 50,000 sorry, 120,000 years now, heritage ?
I'm sure we'd all like to hear about all the farming & aeronautical experiments with bent wood on the edge of the continental shelf a few thousand years before the Egyptians worked out how to move heavy stone blocks.

Indy,

The racists here is YOU, have you forgotten that on learning I have some Aboriginal heritage you called me a "Concrete Jungle Bunny". This thread is another one that you started to "have a go" with your sarcasm at Aboriginal people. WHY, wont you say where you came from? Unlike aboriginal people who respected the environment, you turned yours into a sh!thole, so why not admit it!

"I'm sure we'd all like to hear about"...the disaster you and the rest of the animals caused back in the old country.

Paul1405,
As I told you before, there's no need to try so hard to convince us of your stupidity, we can all see that quite clearly !

Indy,

Your silence on your past, speaks loudly for what you are today!

I think that Paul1405 is Anglophobic and racist against white people and wants to see them pushed into the sea. The result's of MABO and other rulings apparently gives Aboriginal's 51% of the Australian mainland already, but they want more. The insatiable appetites of Economics. But Aboriginal's don't have an economy?

From DuckAI-
"Proponents of the 51% Figure

Activists and Advocacy Groups: Certain Indigenous rights activists and organizations may reference the 51% figure to emphasize the historical injustices faced by Aboriginal peoples and to advocate for land rights and reparations. This claim serves to highlight the need for greater acknowledgment of Indigenous sovereignty.

Public Figures and Politicians: Occasionally, some politicians or public figures may use the percentage to provoke discussion around land rights and to raise awareness about Indigenous issues, especially during debates on reconciliation and land justice.

Basis for the Claim

Historical Context: The figure often reflects widespread sentiment about the need to address land dispossession following colonization and the ongoing impacts of that history. It’s more of a rhetorical device than a quantifiable legal assertion.

Court Cases and Claims: Since the Mabo decision, various native title claims have been made, leading to a belief that substantial areas of land could be subject to Indigenous rights. As claims accumulate, the idea of a specific percentage has emerged in discussions but does not correspond to any recognized legal framework.

Societal Discussion: The figure may be invoked within surveys, discussions, and reports analyzing land ownership and Indigenous rights, however, these discussions often lack rigorous statistical backing and use the percentage as a form of advocacy rather than a legal assertion.

Conclusion

In essence, the 51% claim is championed more in activist circles and public discourse than within formal legal contexts, reflecting a desire for recognition and justice rather than a factual legal ruling. If exploring this issue further, understanding the historical and legal complexities of Indigenous land rights is crucial."

In marches Aboriginal activists including those from Extreme Far Left organisations such as Socialist Alternative chant "Always was always will be Aboriginal Land".

I find this concerning and genocidal. Aboriginal's need to have the issue settled to select autonomous territory's. There can't be a never ending and growing list of Aboriginal sites. The Marxist Left Aboriginal campaigns have just led to Australian's hating Aboriginal's because they won't let the issue be settled, and are holding Australia permanent hostage to their issues.

In recent years sites have been denied to the public in the name of Aboriginal heritage, and due to overuse, due to tourism. This shows the double edged nature of tourism, and how over reliance on fickle tourism income can lead to failure and even destruction of the attractions. Often items of Aboriginal heritage are part of the wider Australian heritage

Canem malum,
I would not be surprised if the percentage of Australians would be as high as 99% who have no idea what the Mabo case was originally all about ! By originally I mean before the lawyers got the whiff of the $s.

Several working cattle stations have been bought out by Governments & handed over to indigenous groups. I can't find any reports of these stations now being operated at profits as before and or if unemployment benefits have been reduced due to new employment there.
Perhaps our resident Anglophobic has access to such figures ?

Kudos Kid,

"I think that Paul1405 is Anglophobic" not at all KK, we are all born equal in this life, and it don't matter if you are white, black or some colour in between. What I oppose is hatred, bigotry, discrimination and disadvantage, things foreign to the like of YOU. When I seen the opening post from one of the forums regulars, and knowing his form on the subject. I knew this was another one of his exercises in "Abo bashing", so I called him out for what he is. I believe in peaceful coexistence with equality between all races and all nations, something alien to YOU race haters, who believe in some unjust system of apartheid.

BTW, I like the Poms, it brings me much joy as we regularly belt them at cricket! Could we call that Pommy Bashing?

What I oppose is hatred, bigotry, discrimination and disadvantage
Paul1405,
How do balance that with your perpetual hatred, bigotry, discrimination & fake disadvantage rhetoric on OLO ?

I can see Paul1405 marching with Socialist Alternative and chanting "Always was always will be Aboriginal Land". And when asked pleads "I am against racism!". His words seem to prove otherwise...

Try again- In the US Declaration of Independence they ask the question when should the bindings that bind two parts of a ruling structure be broken, in this case Britain and the US. Remember the answer...

Long ago, the world was acting in what it considered to be an acceptable manner.
The annexation of Australia by the British was considered to be an acceptable action when it happened.
Such actions were common practice, and relied on superior force to realise.
And strength will almost certainly dominate and succeed.
Similar actions still occur in our modern world.
Boundaries are fluid, and moving all the time.
But we should not retrospectively try to make any long past action irregular.
That would set a precedent with calamitous consequences.
Also, the simple truth is that in Australia, our present well established democratic system is not likely to change.
And what happened 250 years ago is of no consequence to us.
We were not there, and had no part in anything which took place.
We have no responsibility at all for anything done by people long ago.
And this is our country now.
It belongs to everybody who was born here or is a Naturalised Australian.
Collectively, we define and defend our boundaries.
We make laws, and effectively apply those laws.
This is the type of control required by any group claiming 'ownership'.
No individual group has the ability to do these things.
So, no such group can claim any form of ownership.
Those who continue to claim 'ownership' based on racial concepts, are absurd.
In the present day, with careful thought, we can have standards and laws which accommodate most citizens.
But we cannot change history.
We have absolutely no control whatsoever over what happened long ago.
We only have control over what happens now.
And all citizens should contribute equally and fairly to our society.
And reap the rewards of our combined effort.
And, if it chooses to, our society will do things differently now.

I can see the Kudos Kid, dressed in black outside the NSW Parliament being dragged away by the police and arrested, Then put on a plane back to his native Deutschland!

Who cares what the slave owning white men in America had to say 250 years ago. They were a great bunch, killed the red man, and enslaved the black man. Your kinda guys KK. The criminals Washington, Jefferson, Franklin etc, etc.

Paul1405,
I hope somehow, someone makes you realise how much of a hurdle you are to your own people or at least the ones you claim to have so much empathy for ! As it stands you're causing way more harm than good.
Hypocrisy has never been a good tool for any society !

Indy,

Should I try your approach and run around calling Aboriginal people living in cities "CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNIES" something different perhaps?

Paul1405,
Wow, now according to you the Aborigines invented concrete & built the high rise flats in the cities ?
Gee, I had no idea how much I didn't know !

Indy,

What YOU don't know would astound an ignoramus.

"according to you (Paul1405) the Aborigines invented concrete & built the high rise flats in the cities"

I realise English is not your first language, not a language you understand at all, but such poor comprehension skills, I did not say that.

I did not say that.
Paul1405,
Yes you did, you were the one making reference to Aborigines when I said people without any reference whatsoever. You were just hoping you could gain mileage but it keeps backfiring !
Your back-pedalling is a clear reflection of your character !

Indy,

It is my belief that the Romans invented concrete. I don't know where you got the notion that I believed that Aboriginal people invent concrete, I have no such belief. Your inference was that like monkeys, living in the jungle, some Aboriginal people had moved out of the jungle, and were now living in cities, which were substantially made of concrete. I being one such dweller. Hope that clears things up for you. Of course in your case that concrete city had been totally destroyed by your mob, thus you became a refugee living off us Aussie taxpayers for the past 50 years. BTW, Why are you so ashamed of your ancestors and where you came from. Surely not all your relatives were Nazi sympathisers? At least one must have been a Communist or something else! What's your story?

Your inference was that like monkeys, living in the jungle,
Paul1405,
You're one unusual piece of work. Now you're going from rabbits to monkeys. Are you on drugs ? What next ? Accuse me for words you're dreaming up ?
Inference ? That's your inference. My inference was of people living in a concrete jungle like rabbits in a warren i.e. clueless to the outside World. Half-educated people who think they have all the answers whilst totally ignorant of those outside their imagined comfort zone.
I recall seeing people like that in European cities but I don't recall seeing Aborigines among them.

Indy,

"I recall seeing people like that in European cities" I suppose they would have been a rather miserable lot, given it was your mob that bombed those cities to Smithereens! Its a pity you can't post pics on this forum, then you could put up some happy snaps of you and the mob fleeing the advancing Red Army with your pants on fire! They must have been such happy days for you.

Today those "clueless to the outside World. Half-educated people" are those Old Farts down at Gods Waiting Room knocking back schooners and playing the One Arm Bandits with my taxpayer funded Aged Welfare! You did once say your pension rise didn't cover the cost of your next schooner. Albos looking after you now, you'll be right.

Paul1405 the co2 looter !

What on earth are you blokes talking about?
Couldn't we have more intelligent and more illuminating repartee?
Try to make your posts mean something useful?
Please?

Try to make your posts mean something useful?
Ipso fatso,
I've been trying to get that troll to do that on many occasions & I found the only way a nasty idiot can be dealt with is to throw its manure back at it !
You should be well aware of its deceitful posts by now !
I only reply to its idiotic quips in the hope others (many do incl. you now) see through its hate-spewing antics !

I don't see this forum as a place to 'let off steam'.
Nor a place to berate other posters.
It is a place for the expression of calm and measured thought?
To express ideas with the hope that what we say will give another person a fresh perspective?
And add to their understanding of the issue?

I don't see this forum as a place to 'let off steam'.
ipso fatso,
totally agree however, it should not be to leave idiotic quips challenging reasonable debate unchallenged either.
Anyhow, the reason for my starting this thread was to draw attention to the seemingly unsubstantiated claims of human occupation of this continent from 20,000 to now 120,000 years. Whilst even the lowest number of years is still a fantastically long time, exaggeration is merely phishing for more confusion for political gain. The mixing of people has gotten to a stage where ethnicity & culture is getting rather blurred & perpetual compensation to unverified claims is not deemed warranted to be investigated.