Now that Canada has indicated its intension to recognise the state of Palestine, adding its voice to those of Britain and France, plus 147 of the 193 UN member states have already made recognitions a fact, the notable exceptions being US and of course Israel, like Hamas, they seem hell bent on a one state solution, for the Israelis it doesn't include the Palestinians, for Hamas it doesn't include the Jews, for Donald Trump it includes gold courses, tennis courts and rich American tourists, the Riviera of the East, I assume without Palestinians or Jews, or some such nonsense. Should Australia follow suit with recognition, as Jim Chalmers says; "It's a question of when, not if" for Australia. The perfect opportunity for recognition will come during the 80th session of the United Nations General Assembly in September.

Yes.

Of course it should. And the Nazi Zionists must never be forgotten.

I support a two-state solution, but that can only happen when Israel is willing to recognise Palestine, and Palestine is willing to recognise Israel. In the past, a solution has come tantalisingly close only to fail because the Palestinians refused to recognise Israel’s right to exist. The current Israeli government does not support a two-state solution either. So even if “recognising” Palestine could in theory result in there being two states; it would emphatically not be a “solution”. More likely it would bake in conflict for yet more generations.

Wishful thinking or “recognition” will not make Palestine a state. The Montevideo Convention gives four criteria for recognition of a state under international law – a permanent population, a defined territory, a functional government and capacity to enter relations with other governments. Palestine fails at least three of these criteria. Its borders are disputed; much of its population claims to be refugees with a “right of return” to Israel; it has two governments, neither of which is fit to rule a properly functioning state; and the government in Gaza is widely considered a terrorist organisation which most governments refuse to have relations with.

Nor will recognition by other states magically transform Palestine into a state. The Convention says, “the political existence of the state is independent of recognition by any other state”.

I am actually quite hopeful that a two-state solution can emerge from this horrible crisis. Netanyahu is unpopular and looks likely to lose office at the next election. Hamas is greatly diminished, and the Arab League has called on it to disarm and relinquish power. The people of Gaza must surely realize that they have no hope of destroying Israel and will suffer terribly if they continue to try. The international community is mostly sickened by what’s happening and will work towards a lasting peace.

But premature recognition will vindicate and empower Hamas and make a long-term political solution less, not more, likely.

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On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution 181, which called for the partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem as a "corpus separatum" governed by a special international regime.

The Jewish state was to encompass approximately 56% of the territory, while the Arab state was to cover about 43%. The remaining area, including Jerusalem, would be an international zone.

That was the original arrangement : two separate states. That is what 147 countries around the world (76% of the total) have officially recognised - including three European countries (Ireland, Norway and Spain).

Not surprisingly, Israel accepted that as it got the better of the deal, whereas the Palestinians rejected it. They got the short end of the stick. That has been the problem all along. It's time it was fixed !

Time to stop all the wars with all the killing and destruction. If it can't be two states, they will have to share the same state - but whatever the solution, this time, it will have to be equitable if it is to have any chance of succeeding !

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Thanks for the contributions, absolutely agree with what's been said. Rhian I don't believe Hamas will be a part of any future Palestinian state, it may continue to exists as a separate terrorist organisation backed by Iran, there's plenty of them in the Middle East, but it wont play any part in the governance of a Palestinian state.

An Australian journalist aboard a Jordanian relief flight described the devastation below in Gaza as absolutely horrific, complete destruction everywhere. The Zionist Nazi's forbid any filming of the devastation, and for good reason, they want to hide their war crimes from the world.

Australia should recognise Palestine & all the Palestinians here could move back there ! No excuse for them to stay here but plenty reasons for them to re-build back home !

Indy,

Were you not a refugee from some bombed out European sh!thole post WWII? Why didn't you jump on board and return to "rebuild", instead of living off the Australian taxpayer for the past 50 years. Hypocrite!

Please tell us about the wonderful homeland of yours, as it was when you left! You're to ashamed to even name it.

Paul1405,
Were you a normal miserable human being we could just dismiss you as just another tormented crackpot. However, since you're clearly a supporter or even a member of certain racist loser outfits it is better to reply to you in the hope you might just wake up to how silly you really are.
No matter how hard you try, one thing I can tell you already. You will fail miserably in your quest because the tide against your agenda has turned quite some time ago !

Indy,

Nothing to say about where you came from, or what state your mob left the place in. Its always do as I say, and not do as I do with you. If its not, Why be ashamed of your homeland and your relatives! That's right the place was a bombed out wreck, and you and your relatives had made it that way. What makes the Palestinians living in Australia any different to YOU? You are most likely Eastern European, who fled the Russians as they were shooting Nazi sympathisers. I'd run to if I was you!

I am divided on this issue:

Pros:
1) It will further censor and put pressure on Netanyahu's present evil government.
2) It may help to produce a more peaceful government in Israel's next elections.

Cons:
1) There are no "Palestinian" people in reality and the local Arab population there, oppressed as they may be, does not really want a state of their own - it's only propaganda: they will keep claiming that they do, but will constantly drag their feet with every possible excuse why they cannot have a state as yet.
2) It may likely force Israel to allow a "Palestinian" state on only a part of the West Bank and without Eastern Jerusalem. This would leave Israel with the poison it swallowed in 1967, which ruins it from the inside and with little incentive to get rid of the rest completely so the country can embark on the process of healing.

I will support any arrangement that takes Israel completely out of ALL the cursed territories it took in 1967, regardless of who will subsequently control these territories, regardless even whether or not this will stop the Middle-East wars.
If that be a "Palestinian" state, then so be it.
If that be the horrible Jewish Messianic settlers (who will thereby lose their Israeli citizenship and it would be a blessing for Israel to get rid of them), then so be it.
If that be someone else - Druze, Kurds, Ukrainians who lost their homes to Russia, Russian dissidents, Americans, Greenland and Panamanian refugees, Indians, Red-Indians, Sudanese, Chinese (including Hong-Kong and Taiwanese refugees), Martians, whoever, then so be it.
If that be a combination of the above, then so be it.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1165910672236890&set=a.474125768082054
Just spotted this, don't know if it's real or not !

What makes the Palestinians living in Australia any different to YOU?
Paul1405,
Fortunately, I was not a refugee & secondly I didn't come here to help turn a once great Nation of Christian/Western values into a rabbit warren of enclaves full of racists !
You on the other hand are clearly a supporter of racists hell-bent on de-stabilising society for some dark ages ideology.
Granted, too many Westerners had it too good for too long & now we all have to pay the price of the stupidity however, many are now waking up to the antics of the stupid Woke !

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1090414556523400&rdid=usCjdPdnwdJTlqdy

If the Palestinians here want to have a Palestinian State then they should be working for one in Gaza instead of holding up traffic here !
But that isn't what they really aim for is it !

I just watched a video in which they showed the destruction of Gaza. In one segment they showed a mother with her two starving children who were both as thin as matches & clearly starving. The mother looked rather healthy & well fed & was immaculately clothed.
Surely, these people wouldn't be so callous as to sacrifice their babies for propaganda to drum up sympathy from ignorant Westerners ?
I desperately hope that's the wrong conclusion but it was the first thought that came to mind when I watched the segment.
The British reporter commented on the destruction in a manner that suggested it was the Israelis who started that conflict.

Indy,

You are a blind racists, you would want others to believe Palestinians are starving their children for propaganda purposes. Malnutrition in a population will set in with the children, before it even becomes evident in the adults. Were there not starving children in that sh!thole you left to come to Australia as an economic refugee? As for who started the war in Palestine, it begun long before October 7th 2023. YOU still wont disclose your place of birth, was it that bad?

Paul1405,
Then what's your explanation for those Muslim mothers on TV who lost children via suicide bombings & exclaim "I wish I had more children to sacrifice" !
What's to say it isn't done with babies also ? I mean with all the insanity therer such horrific mentality can surely be not discounted ?
Of course blindly shouting racism is your forte but look at yourself in the mirror if you want to see a true racist.

Indy,

There are brained washed people in society, there are extremists in all societies. Religious extremism is one of the most dangerous forms there is; "God is on my side, I can do no wrong" belief. You try to use the actions of a few, mothers who would sacrifice they children in the name of the non existent Allah. But to try and extrapolate such isolated extremism as general within the population is wrong.

Paul1405,
With that back-pedal you could be a serious contender for the Tour de France.
What you're now trying to make our stupid believe is that all those illegal migrants now in Europe, America & Australia aren't all adhering to Islam's call to take over the World ? You must think those of us who think are sillier than our homegrown stupid who put Labor back in again.

I'd suggest sending all back to Palestine & let them annihilate themselves.

Should Australia Recognise Palestine?

Yes, however only if Palestine recognises Israel also !