In the meantime, the tired old hacks in Canberra, and the people wanting to make money out of AUKUS, regard as a “milestone” the signing of a contract that “supports the joint development of build strategy, supply chain management plans and a workforce development strategy”. With the UK.

Big deal. We had a contract with France. That went well.

“Thousands of skilled jobs”. Defence is not a job creation opportunity; apart from the fact that we don't make much in Australia anymore, and we will be making less because of our expensive, unreliable electricity. No matter what rubbish is talked about nuclear vs wind and solar, nothing is as cheap and more reliable than coal. And that's not coming back, thanks to the pig-headed, poorly advised morons of the uniparty.

The last submarines built here took years after they were launched to get to the excellent vessels they turned out to be. Having another go at it would be lunacy. It is too expensive now to build anything in Australia, thanks to our energy debacle, our unions, and our Big Government rules and regulations.

Talking about mental health?

I hope that this time ttbn means what he's posted.

He's promised in the past to ignore me and yet he
continued to attack me personally. I ignored him.
But it was of no use and eventually one reacts.

Lets hope that this time I shall be left in peace
and for him - not exist.

I look forward to that very much.

Hi ttbn,
"People too dumb to know what the submarines are for"
- why don't you inform us all then?
"too dumb to stick to the topic"
- It's exactly on topic, I'm not talking about lawn care
"too dumb to recognise the threat to our security"
- Who is the threat, what are these adversaries capabilities and how do 8 submorines in 20 years neutralise this threat?
What strategic and tactical advantage do these subs give us to effectively neutralise that threat?
"too dumb to stop voting for the same failed politicians"
- The politicians themselves are dumb and not worth voting for, so in truth, who's dumb?
"It's a good thing that nothing that they say here goes any further."
- Is it? You may not be around when the country goes up in mushroom clouds and nuclear winter that kills off 6 billion + people.

"We just have to hope real people - the so-called silent majority - do the right thing at the coming election."
Who are the silent majority?
Chritians and Jews together are a minority. Look it up.

If you wish to talk about dumb, maybe you should understand the world first, otherwise it's actually pretty dumb to have an opinion at all.

"In the meantime, if we keep reading the extreme crap these dumb people spew out, our mental health is at risk."
- You're projecting, you mean YOUR mental health.
I'm concerned about Aussie lives, Aussie jobs, Aussie exports, Aussie families and a future that isn't extinguished by your march to nuclear war, because you are geopolitically illiterate.

[Cont.]
"I have named the three main bullies to ignore."
That's rich for you, but since I often act the same way I shouldn't be making the argument Foxy already has.

"I will never again give them an opportunity to insult me."
You just insulted all of us just now, consider yourself lucky I don't insult you back immediately, because when people tell me not to do something; - I'm the idiot that does so deliberately just because you said I can't.
But it's your thread, and I'm not an a-hole.

"I have reach the limit of my tolerance. They no longer exist."
- That's very woke ttbn, I thought you hated woke culture;
- But hey if you need to go hide in your safe space, knock yourself out.

I only asked one question and the bloke pops a blood vessel, self implodes with a full man-tantrum.

"Thousands of skilled jobs"
Power up our country with cheap energy first, and you'll bring back jobs and skilled workers and increased exports and we'll have the means and the money to build the submarines down the track.
So far our idiot politicians have wasted billions FOR NOTHING.
- And you say were dumb?

AUKUS: Are nuclear-powered submarines a good idea for Australia?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-05/aukus-set-to-sink/103534664

>>And, based on other defence projects, he contends there will be cost blowouts.

"Whenever [the Department of] Defence says it's going to cost you $1, always multiply it by three. And so your $368 billion is, in effect, a lifetime cost of $1 trillion," he says.

"And you can do a hell of a lot with $1 trillion."<<

You want to know what's bad for our country?
A bunch of idiots in charge who can't agree on anything.
This nation is occupied and captured anyway.

- We're not citizens we're serfs -

This notion that the submarines would be useless in a one-on-one war with China (or Indonesia for God's sake!!) utterly misunderstands the strategy here or indeed strategy ever.

Australia doesn't need the subs for our sole defence. We need to be in the western alliance and the subs are our contribution to that defence along with other items like medium range missiles.

There is no (absolutely NO) scenario where Australia fights China alone. If we fight we fight as part of a coalition of states including the US, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines (also, perhaps, India and Vietnam).

Our function in situation would be to lead the efforts to close the Straits of Malacca to Chinese shipping and that's where the subs and the medium range missiles come in.

But you don't re-arm in order to fight a war. You re-arm in order to deter an enemy from starting a war. China might stick to its 2027 timetable in which case the subs decision will have been a waste, but if they delay beyond that things will change. We are a maritime nation. We need a forceful navy. This is part of that equation.

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Just as an historic aside and comparing great things to small. In the year 486BC the city of Athens discovered a lucrative silver mine in its territory. Discussions were held as to what do do with the windfall, the options being to distribute it to the citizenry as a gift or build a navy (a plan pushed by one of the greatest men in history -Themistocles). Many opposed the navy idea since they saw no need for it at that time. Six years later the 200 triremes built with the funds won the Battles of Salamis and saved Greece from conquest by Persia.

That's strategy.