Hi AC,

You asked what the purpose is of the submarines?

Media releases have advised that "Australia needs
a powerful underwater presence to deter aggression
and contribute to peace and stability in the Indo-
Pacific. The AUKUS agreement will give Australia
a nuclear powered submarine capability that will
help achieve this".

"Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States
have together reached a milestone with the signing
of an agreement to enable cooperation that's
essential to Australia's capacity to safely build,
operate and maintain a conventionally armed nuclear
powered submarine capability".

This was tabled in parliament in August.

There's more at:

http://minister.defence.gov.au/media-releases/2024-08-12/agreement-strengthens-aukus-submarine-partnership

Having a joint defence agreement with the UK and the US
must surely make us all feel safer - and the need for taking
these precautions especially with China circling in the
region - it must be a good precaution to be prepared.

'AC You cannot be serious.'
- No, I'm actually 100% serious.
Do you think half a dozen submarines will stop a Chinese invasion force?
Will it stop an Indonesian invasion force they've got 280 million people.
Or maybe these subs are to be used to spy on our adversaries / largest trading partner China?
What can an nukeless sub do they do that a satellite can't?
Wow we can sink ships in other nations neck of the woods, why?

You really want to fight the Chinese of the colour of ink and paper the world uses for its reserve currency?

Mate, I can't even pay cash for a hamburger at Hungry Jacks, because the apps are funneling people into the cashless thing.
Our own government doesn't even respect our own currency.

Wants us to pay rent to VISA, and Microsoft, Google, Netflix, Paypal etc..
'Long live the US empire'

Our own Commonwealth bank wants to charge for branch cash withdrawls.

Also if we are at war with China, then we're already rooted, because our economy won't just be circling the drain, it will be passing through the S-bend, and that's before we even fire a single missile at anything, which will effectively place us so deep in debt fighting a war, we may as well just do a deal and say here have a million hectares n call it 'Little China down-under' it's cheaper and will save Aussie lives.

If you said we're going to have ourown nuclear deterrent, and it will be Aussie fingers on the button, and we will no longer need to be tied to US foreign policy and can remain neutral, then that would be a seperate argument.

So I ask again.
What is the EXACT purpose of the submarines?
The money is better spent on our own domestic nuclear industry.
Build, not destroy.

Not to mention we will lose that war anyway.

For the last time. This thread has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH WHAT THE BLOODY SUBMARINES ARE FOR. If you don't know what they are for you have a serious problem.

This will be the last thread that I will start. I'm sick and tired of putting up a topic only to have a bunch of idiots arguing among themselves about sh.t that has nothing to do with the topic.

I'm sick of horrible people like Foxy, Paul 1405, and now Armchair Critic, a right idiot if ever there was one.

A pessimist is a person who tends to focus on the
negative aspects in situations and always expects
unfavourable outcomes - the worst.

Someone who shows little optimism and can be a real
downer for anyone else.

From their posts you can see he believes that evil
outweighs the good and that bad things are more likely
to happen.

Even in discussions that he starts - he expects people
to comply with his version of things and ad-hominem
attacks are common.

It's like a damp cloud washing over every single
situation hoping to drench other people with his
miserable comments.

Still, I blame myself for reacting. I shouldn't.
The American comedian Milton Berle - said it well:

"Why are we honouring this man?
Have we run out of human beings?"

I can't remember reading anything positive in any
of the man's posts. He washes over every sunshine
situation hoping to drench other people with his
miserable comments. What ever is eating him must be
suffering terribly.

A troubled soul - obviously.

Perhaps we should pray for him?