I feel I need to be re-educated.

I know of the horrors of the holocaust, I have sympathy for the persecution Jewish people feel, and the defensive/reflexive reaction that seems to engender on any geopolitical discussion about Israel, but I cant help feeling there is an element in all the Jewish lobby groups, the discussions of their leaders to any negative reaction to the killing of civilians in Gaza as a little bit precious. Am I even allowed to say such a thing on a public forum I wonder without accusations of being racist.

For the record I think a Palestinian State is fanciful, the amount of hatred for Jews in the Hamas proportion of Gazans would prevent this, but jeeps how many kids do you want to kill with, what really seems to me, as total indifference.

I haven't ever heard any regret whatsoever from the 'Jewish community', the 'Executive Council of Australian Jewry', 'Australia/Israel and Jewish Affairs Council', there seems to be a million of these lobby groups

“Don’t leave the Jewish people behind. Don’t isolate us,” Aghion urged the Australian public. “Stand with us. Stand against this hate.”

Well, yeah, ok, if you can just seem the slightest bit regretful of killing so many children, even if you see them as a bunch of future terrorists.

Statements like “Awarding antisemitism and terrorism with a state in the heart of the Jewish ancient homeland and cradle of civilisation will invite more terrorism and more antisemitic riots at campuses and city centres, including in Australia,”

I suppose I can agree really. But if you want to win people over, stop with the 'cradle of civilisation'. It just feels so precious, arrogant and smug.

For someone claiming not to be an anti-Semite, you do a good impression of one.

Hamas started the war against Israel on October 7th 2023. Since then, Hamas has been responsible for the death and destruction in Gaza.

Jews don't “feel” persecution; they are persecuted.

The “total indifference” to the deaths in Gaza is down to Hamas: it uses women and children as human shields.

Hi Houellebecq,
"Am I even allowed to say such a thing on a public forum I wonder without accusations of being racist"
- Some will always think of you as racist for criticism of Israel, even if your criticisms are valid.

You should be fine with genuine discussion here though.
I say much more harsher things than you do, so you shouldn't get too much heat.
I'll stay out of this discussion now for at least a few days, I don't want to poison your thread with my rhetoric.

- But it's about time someone else stuck up for all those kids though.

Would it really be so hard for these groups, Zionist Federation of Australia (found another one) to express regret that so any children are being killed?

I'm sure there are a lot instances where Hamas leaders are hiding under hospitals and all sorts, but it's indiscriminate bombing regardless of the human cost to me.

If you want to position yourself up as the cradle of civilisation, shouldn't you attempt to be a little bit better than that? Or at least say something like, 'It is very sad that these young children are being killed in their thousands, but we consider the price of killing a single terrorist worth it?'

They might as well napalm the whole of Gaza an be done with it.

“Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there. They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists,”

Hi Houellebecq,

I'd like to add my voice to Armchair Critic's to say -
"Welcome back to the forum".

Regarding Jewish voices in Australia?

We're told that:

"In response to the pressing need for an independent expert
body to address antisemitism and racism in Australia, a dynamic
coalition of Jewish scholars, historians, human rights lawyers,
and writers, have joined together to establish the Jewish
Council of Australia".

"The Council was formed to fill a void in Australia for an
independent expert Jewish body which can speak about
antisemitism in Australia and which acknowledges the diversity
of voices within the Jewish population in regard to the state
of Israel".

"The Council disagrees with the idea that all Jewish people
and the Jewish communities fully support the military actions
of the state of Israel".

"We are concerned that many Jewish representative organisations
in Australia fail to recognise that the Jewish communities
has diverse voices on Israel's military actions and conflate
criticism of Israel and support for Palestinian human rights
with antisemitism".

There's more at:

http://jewishcouncil.com.au/media/jewish-council-lauches-expert-voice-antisemitism-racism-in-australia

Hi AC,

- Some will always think of you as racist for criticism of Israel, even if your criticisms are valid.

It seems that way. The many lobby groups see any criticism at all, even the government backing UN resolutions aimed at reducing civilian deaths (no matter how feasible they would or wouldn't be) as having some relation to 'increasing antisemitism' in Australia.

Why doesn't it occur to them people see this use of the holocaust as a blanket justification for anything Israel does as a bit off.

cont'd ...

Please excuse my typo. Here's the link again:

http://jewishcouncil.com.au/media/jewish-council-launches-expert-voice-antisemitism-racism-in-australia

We can't do anything about the conflict in the Middle East - Israel or Gaza - but we should be able to respect and protect Jewish Australians in their own country. They are Australians, not Israelis, and have no more connection to the conflict than the rest of us. Attacking Australian Jews is as ridiculous as attacking Australian Catholics over the atrocities committed by the Catholic IRA in Ireland would have been.

Time to Stop Beating Around the Bush
I am aware that antiSemitism predates Islam but it now has been elevated to be a belief that just too many think is the way it has to be.
Mohhomad was a 7th century Arabian brigand that operated in Arabia by raiding caravans passing through Arabia and raiding villages. These villages also included Jewish villages.
However Mohhomad developed a special dislike of the Jewish villages possibly because they were not Christians, or possibly they gave him a hard time.
Never the less at some point Mohhomad as it is written developed or had a vision to establish Islam.
He built into Islam a hatred of Jews and other non believers such as Christians. The rest is history.

In that first century Mohhomad sent Arab armies into Mesopotamia, Egypt, Persia.
Later the Islamic armies invaded North Africa and India and central Asia.
They did all this as presented in the Koran by the use of terrorist actions.
It was so sucessful it became written into the Koran and their other writings.
So it has become standard practise which we see today even here in Australia.

Today we have not seen any mass terrorist attacks but we will see an incident by incident increase in the intensity of attacks. They have moved from just shouting insults to attacking buildings, hassling Jews on the street and vandalising cars to the recent fire attack on on a Synagogue in Melbourne. These attacks will increase step by step just as if they are testing the authorities. Their intention is to incrementally modify our society to become Islamic.
Soem of you will think I am deluded but do not take my word for it just take the word of their teachers and Immans. They have already made significant gains in Europe in their objective.
Want one example; The British Courts are known historically as leaders in the rights of accused persons the legal practises that have been copied around the world starting with Magna Carta.
to be continued

Not sure what happened there, it got loaded anyway

It seems absurd but Britain has official Islamic Courts to administer Sharia Law.
At present they seem restricted to Family Law.
It is no more than the thin edge of the wedge.
We must stop Beating Around the Bush and draw
the line and enforce our laws and indeed introduce laws that will
restrict Islam as its practices do not comply with Australian customs.
­I should not need to repeat those practices as they have had multiple
reports over the years.
One that many would find terrible is in
inheritance Sharia law is that daughters
inherit half what sons inherit.
This now applies in the UK and if the administrator
sends the will to a Sharia court for probate then
I doubt the daughters could do anything about it.
That really is the thin edge of the wedge.
Islamic practise for such "crimes" as blasphermy or leaving the
religion is death in Islamic courts in many cases.
This is what Islamists want in Australia, and in Germany they have been
holding demonstrations in the street demanding Sharia Law.
As far as Gaza is concerned everyone feels horror over the deaths of
the innocents, but if you start a war then do not be surprised if the
victim of your agression rises up and hits back.
I suggest doubters go looking for that information instead of just saying;
"That is a load of rubbish."

A correction on what I said about UK Sharia "Courts".
There are around 30 Sharia “councils” in the UK but these are not courts of law. The Sharia councils' decisions are based on Islamic religious laws and cannot overrule the decisions of UK courts or make decisions that are contrary to UK law.10 Nov 2023

I wonder if the Banks would recognise the rulings of Sharia Councils.
If a court made no comment would the banks recognise the Sharia decision ?

Its certainly theoretically possible be anti-Israel but not anti-Jew, but in reality it rarely occurs. One of the reasons for that is that the vast majority of Jews world-wide are pro-Israel, so taking a stand against the Jewish state ends up meaning, inevitably, taking a stand against Jews both within and without Israel.

If the actions of Israel and the Jews were treated equally with those of other peoples and states, then the claim against antisemitism might stand scrutiny. But they rarely are. Things Israel does are denounced in ways and with force that just doesn't apply to other peoples and states.

/cont

Currently we are witnessing the destruction of the Syrian regime. A regime that killed a minimum of 300,000 people (including the children you seems so concerned about). But where were the street demonstrations? Where was the UN issuing arrest warrants for Assad and those states that aided the massacres? Russia, in attempting to save that regime, has used its planes to bomb civilians. No one knows how many died but numbers like 1000 are mentioned including how many children? Wi;; we see street protests. Will the ICC step in? To ask is to answer.

There are mass killings and massacres the world over every year but only Israel is singled out by the international agencies and the antisemite left.

Bemoaning the death of civilians in Gaza while utterly ignoring the cause for those deaths doesn't instil confidence in claims of unbiases. No mention of the massacres on 7 October. No mention of the fact that the civilians are used as human shields by Hamas operatives. No mention of the fact that the level of civilians deaths to combatant deaths in Gaza is the lowest ever in human urban conflict.

The holocaust was the greatest massacre in human history, only equalled by the Holodomor. Israel exists to try to ensure it will never happen again. That state has the right to exist and the right to stand against its foes near and far

/cont

It is truly said that the Europeans will never forgive the Jews for the Holocaust ie the Europeans want the world to forget what they did and the Jews won't let them.

But we are told they should just get over it. Jews alone are treated as such. Imagine telling the aboriginals to just get over it. Or the Amer-Indians. The Chinese are forgiven for trying to rectify the wrongs they imagine from the 19th century. Should they just get over it? The Africans. Anyone telling any of these people to just learn to live with it would be treated as racist against that group. Only Jews can be told to just move on. Only Jews are told to turn the other cheek.

Israel exists as the final guarantee of the safety of the Jewish diaspora. Claiming that they don't have the right to maintain and defend that nation, that having missiles lobbed on them is what they deserve is indeed antisemitic.

Thanks mhaze for attempting to explain some things, I genuinely want to understand, I'm not sure I am re-educated yet though.

-Antisemitism or Jew-hatred is hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against, Jews.

That doesn't mesh to me with disagreeing with Israel's military actions-> Israel has the largest Jewish population-> So Jews are unlikely to agree with your criticism.... Therefore I must hate Jews?

"Things Israel does are denounced in ways and with force that just doesn't apply to other peoples and states."

Maybe. I think say in Australia, there is just more media coverage, nobody knows much about the Syrian regime here. That may or may not prove your point, but I know I have a lot of criticism about the US foreign policy and actions over the years, so I don't see a double standard.

' the children you seems so concerned about'?

So I just hate Jews, I don't really care about children being killed? Nice

"There are mass killings and massacres the world over every year but only Israel is singled out by the international agencies and the antisemite left."

Maybe we expect better of a country that is the cradle of civilization? I dunno, seems like whataboutism to me. I know I donate to help the people in the Africa flee violence, but I agree I don't really place the same responsibility as I don't see any of the places as very civilized, rich or stable countries as Israel. The US on the other hand have a lot to answer for in South America.

"Imagine telling the aboriginals to just get over it. ...?"

I think that's a straw man argument really.

OK, lets say a bunch of Aboriginals killed raped and took hostage a 1000 people in Northern Australia. How would the world community react to the Aus government mustering up every Aboriginal community from Cairns to Kakadu and forcing them to the top corner of WA and bombing the hell out of them and indiscriminately killing 40000 aboriginal families, kids and all.

Maybe Israel is getting more attention in Australia BECAUSE of the constant lobbying by the hundred different Jewish organisations keeping it in the papers.

"Israel exists as the final guarantee of the safety of the Jewish diaspora. Claiming that they don't have the right to maintain and defend that nation, that having missiles lobbed on them is what they deserve is indeed antisemitic."

Nobody here said or thinks that though. It's the manner in which they maintain and defend and the indifference to suffering of civilians.

"Only Jews are told to turn the other cheek."
I would say rather than being asked to turn the other cheek, they are asked to not use the events of history to justify Israel's actions of the present.

There simply must be a time humans need to Get Over it though. Even the first nation's people. The people who lived around the time of the holocaust, and the Invasion by the British are mostly all dead, their ancestors mostly shamed by their actions, and the whole of society was different. How many years into the future must we try to make amends, when will it ever be enough? When Gaza is wiped from the map and every Palestinian is dead, and when all the non-aboriginals leave the country?

Btw, do you agree or disagree with that minister being denied a Visa? I quoted her above. Is it so that I see children, while you see 'little snakes'

"OK, lets say a bunch of Aboriginals killed raped and took hostage a 1000 people in Northern Australia."

Why would that happen? It might happen if all Indigenous children were brought up to believe it their sacred duty to murder or expel every non-indigenous person from the Australian continent. But Australians rejected Albo's them and us apartheid referendum and instead embraced the democratic principle of equality. It seems a bit primitive to believe that whether you stick a knife in someone or embrace them would depend solely on their ethnicity or religion, and teaching kids as much is unequivocally child abuse, which is what Albo and PenPen are funding with Australian taxpayer revenue via donations to UNRWA.

"Btw, do you agree or disagree with that minister being denied a Visa? I quoted her above. Is it so that I see children, while you see 'little snakes'"

Ah, more "them and us". Think about equality and what it means. It isn't that any death from war isn't a tragedy. The question for Jew haters is why they have a blind spot for about 99% of child deaths and are completely absorbed with with the 1% that they think entitles them to Jew bashing?

Remember the fc from UNRWA caught on cctv chucking a dead Israeli kid in the back of his Albo and PenPen funded UNRWA suv on October 7? Well Israeli got him, then his UNRWA mates held a memorial saying what a great bloke he was. Always helping others.

Funny old world.

The problem is the Islamists demand that all Jews (everywhere) be killed.
Then under the Koran rules their land becomes Islamic land forever.
Actually it is that rule that their conquest of Israel in 637ad makes
Israel Islamic land forever, and is the source of the present troubles.
Will it ever end ?

As deplorable as any tragedy caused by stupid people is, not letting emotion getting in the way of prevention offers a better chance than impossible cure is the only approach to this.
Reality has given the World indisputable proof that peace is not what the Islamic World is after.
Even if the Jewish were to ever suffer the consequences of the Islamist agenda peace would not be a given. So, the answer is to do unto them as they do unto the Jewish & the situation will solve itself !

"They are all out to get us."

Hmmm. Yet another intelligent observation.

Hi Houellebecq,
"It seems that way. The many lobby groups see any criticism at all, even the government backing UN resolutions aimed at reducing civilian deaths (no matter how feasible they would or wouldn't be) as having some relation to 'increasing antisemitism' in Australia."

- There's no such thing as Neutral-Semitism.
There's no room for the middle ground.

Look at the way Jews themselves view things:
Take someone like Normal Finkelstein, what do Jews call him?
- 'Self hating Jew'; essentially a 'Jewish anti-Semite'.

In their eyes, if you are not for 'Pro-Semitism' and support the official narrative, then by default you are for 'Anti-Semtism'.
There's no middle ground, and this is argument they impose upon the rest of us...

So that if someone like you, comes out and says
'Hey, ummm... I don't want to cause any conflict, or be accused of racism.. but umm, I just really want to point out that it's really, REALLY wrong to kill all those women and kids';
(like you're walking on egg-shells trying to make your argument in the most sensitive and considerate way)
- Then by default you're criticising Jews and Israel and by THEIR definition you are an 'Anti-Semite'.

As for me, I just think stuff it who cares, I'm not going to have my mind boxed in by others or allow them to essentially deprive me of my own sense of reason.

I oppose the things Israel does, killing women, kids, journalists etc and we're taught that these things are pillars of western values, so if I am to be called an 'anti-Semite' for opposing genocide for land theft, and the things Israel does, then I'm not going to bother fighting their definition of me.

[They attacked another hospital in Gaza yesterday, 'Kamal Adwan Hospital' - targeted the emergency and ICU units, ambulances etc, droning civilians without prejudice but the worlds focused on Syria and looking the other way.]

Instead I'll wear 'Anti-Semitism' with pride.
- If that's what it means to defend the innocent, and defend the values of respect, decency and dignity in which I've been taught.

I think it's wrong to lump together Jews and Israel.
Just as it's wrong to lump all Muslims with Hamas
and terrorism.

Many Jews don't have an allegiance to Israel, but Israel's
military actions is a concern to them. Not only because of
the suffering of innocents on both sides, but because now
antisemites have an excuse to support their bigotry. Just as
anti-Muslims can now do .

To hate and attack both Jews and Muslims depending on which
side you're on is simply wrong. It's the persecution of
Palestinians by the Israeli government that is at fault.
Just as it's the fault of Hamas for it's barbarism and
reactions. It is possible to be proudly Jewish and anti-
Zionist. Just as it's possible to be proudl;y Muslim and
be against terrorism.

Yet if you speak out against the wickedness of the Israeli
government - you're tarred an antisemite. The same
applies if you speak out pro Palestine - you're tarred
as being a Jew hater.

I'm not very optimistic about the future. Until Israel
and Hamas are made to comply with international law.
But for that to happen Israel must cease its occupation
and take responsibility for its actions. Just as Hamas
must stop it's attacks.

I don't see this happening any time soon.

Hi Foxy,
"Just as it's the fault of Hamas for it's barbarism and reactions."
Really? -And Israels policies are not designed to enrage the Muslims?

I'm not a supporter of Islam, not even fond of it.
- but I'm not a supporter of the evil Israel commits upon these people either.
The argument is framed in a manner that I must support the evil Israel does to oppose the evil that Muslims do.
Right now the West has sponsored terrorists beheading people, you want me to support that for Israel's benefit, if so what happens to my principles?

Saying the Palestinians are wrong for fighting against their own oppression and the atrocities committed upon them is like saying the Jews in German concentration camps would be wrong to stand up against their NAZI oppressors and the atrocities inflicted upon them.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Doing so makes one a hypocrite, without any morals, values or principles.
And if you don't have that, then you stand for nothing.

""OK, lets say a bunch of Aboriginals killed raped and took hostage a 1000 people in Northern Australia."

You go on as as though that were the only issue here. But the 7 October attacks were a culmination of events going back 16 years. Missiles regularly fired at civilians. Suicide bombings. Random murders. More missiles. Constant assertions that war was imminent. And then not just rapes and murders but absolute barbarity, women and children taken back for further humiliation, women paraded through the streets of Gaza to be abused by the baying mobs, bodies defiled by those same mobs. And then finally the assertion that that was just the beginning and that there would be a never-ending series of 7/10s until all the Jews were driven from the Levant.

That is what Israel is dealing with. That is why they are justified in deciding that the situation will be finally resolved. If the aboriginals did that, then yes, we'd be justified in blotting it out.

I'll ask you the same question that a series of posters here have assiduously avoided answering. If you are so concerned about the deaths of Gazan civilians, Gazan children, do you support the idea of ending all the suffering by Hamas surrendering? If Hamas laid down their arms, released all remaining hostages (if there are any) stepped away from power to allow an international body to administer the God-forsaken territory, then the deaths would stop overnight.

Do you support calls for Hamas to immediately surrender or are you, like several other posters here, merely using feigned concern for the Gazans as a means to attack the Jews?

"I feel I need to be re-educated."
- You don't need to feel sorry or be re-educated for standing up for the lives of innocent women and kids.
Period.

You should be congratulated and supported for having the courage to do so in the face of the criticism you stand to receive for holding this moral and principled position, that values human lives.

Houellebecq

The only education you will get here is how evil, disgusting, violent and hateful religion is.

Hi AC,

I can only be held responsible for what I post.
Not for your interpretation of what I post.
I suggest you re-read what I posted.

I have always been outspoken in my criticism of Israel.
But I can't defend the actions of Hamas.
I reject any religion which teaches discrimination and
divides people.

I believe that people have to face up to the moral
implications of their actions - on both sides of this
conflict.

The appalling acts of Palestinian and Arab terrorism
can't be ignored or defended. The same as the Israeli
acts and occupation can't be ignored or defended.
The land must be shared. People must be treated
equally.

Slowly, too slowly, the tide must turn. Israel must
change - or it will destroy itself. I believe people
can change. They must, if there is ever going to be
peace in the region.

Somehow were all supposed to be supporting the deranged ideology of those Muslim lunatics who think they are the true messengers of Allah, running around lopping heads off in Syria.

Do you not see the irony?

Murdoch media will keep reinforcing 'Evil regime' and 'Assad the dictator' into your head until you actually believe it.

I'm not deliberately trying to be hard on you.
I just want people to wake up and see the bigger picture.

Palestinians bad, Al Qaeda good?

Israeli tanks are now rolling into Syria.

Future events...
Muslim lunatics will now surround Israel.
Muslims in neighbouring nations will throw out their Western puppet rulers.
Israel will claim if they do not act they will all be slaughtered, and will conduct pre-emptive strikes, and invade their neighbours.
Greater Israel will be established and they will take over the oil fields.
The U.N. will try to actually do what it was designed to do.
America will back out of the U.N. and it will collapse like the League of Nations.
The U.S. economy will tank, and Israel will become the next ruling state in the world.

"Somehow were all supposed to be supporting the deranged ideology of those Muslim lunatics who think they are the true messengers of Allah, running around lopping heads off in Syria."

Who says we're supposed to be supporting them? Why does it have to be one or the other -either you support the Assad/Russia/Iran alliance or you support the rebels! Why?

Why can't we just sit back and say they are all lunatics, none of them deserve to rule? Why can't we celebrate the overthrow of a vicious murdering dictator while acknowledging that those taking his place are unlikely to be any better?

Its always binary with you. If you don't support 'A' you must support 'B'. As Kissinger said about the 1980 Iran-Iraq war "I hope they both lose".

"The U.S. economy will tank, and Israel will become the next ruling state in the world."

What is this? A competition between AC and Yuyutsu to see who can be the most delusional.

It is simple enough; take them at their word.
The list already exists; first the Jews, then the Christians.

"It is simple enough; take them at their word.
The list already exists; first the Jews, then the Christians."

Only if you are simple-minded.
The west has spent the last 20 years bombing them en mass FOR ISRAEL
And they see us being a part of the cause, and why wouldn't they when the whole entire U.S. congress is owned by the Israel lobby, and every single western nation has also been subverted into aligning with Israel, (even if it's only one side of politics, but always both are too petrified to be labelled anti-Semitic.

So of course they see us, and our colonialism, as the ones who screwed THEM.

If you said it was in Australia's long term interests to EXPORT Islam and all it's followers from Australia entirely tomorrow, I'd be willing to argue the merits of that, but what you don't see is that we are IMPORTING the hate, fostering the hate, and importing the conflict and division by standing in defense of the perpetrators.

Just keep fanning the hate with atrocities against the Palestinians.
It's a sure recipe for success.

Dear Mhaze,

«What is this? A competition between AC and Yuyutsu to see who can be the most delusional.»

Well I did not comment on this thread, nor felt that I need to, but you seem to be forcing me:

We shall wait and see then - only time will judge:

On the one hand, Netanyahu destroys Israel's democracy, brick by brick and even Israel's president, an official figurehead which is supposed to remain above politics, is worried about it: http://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-832554
Is he delusional too?

And on the other hand, the new rebel coalition that just toppled the murderous Syrian dictator offers an olive branch, wanting peace between Israel and a democratic new Syria: http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebel-commander-urges-israel-to-support-uprising-strike-iran-backed-forces

Why can there be only one democracy in the Middle-East at any given moment - now Israel is handing over the torch to Syria!

... and instead of congratulating, welcoming and befriending the victorious Syrian freedom fighters, for the last few days Netanyahu is bombing Syria and took over some extra Syrian territory in the Golan Heights. The one thing dictators are most afraid of, is peace!

Yes Yuyutsu, that's what I was referring to - your claim that Syria was on the brink of becoming a democracy. Bonkers!

That the rebels want to ally with Israel is a given. They, the rebels and Israel, have the same enemies -Iran and Hezbullah. So they are natural allies, at least for the moment.

"for the last few days Netanyahu is bombing Syria"

Israel has been attacking the remnants of Hezbullah in Syria which is to the benefit of the rebels. And they've been bombing the Syrian chemical warfare factories which is to the benefit of the whole region. There's zero evidence that they've been attacking the rebel forces themselves.

Dear Mhaze,

I never claimed that Israel bombed the rebel forces,
but it treats them as enemies by depriving them of heavy and sophisticated weapons
and creating a great physical barrier in the Golan Heights, a barrier Israel never considered necessary when Assad was there.

Yes, Israel bombed the remnants of Hezbullah as they were retreating into Lebanon. While that technically happened in Syria, not in Lebanon but just across the border from Lebanon and well north of the Litany river (south of which hezbollah are not supposed to enter), does it indicate any intention to abide by the recent cease-fire agreement which is supposedly in place?

Yes indeed, Israel bombed Syria's chemical-weapon facilities that go against international treaties: well and good, but it bombed much more than that, conventional weapon facilities as well.

While the rebels presently have lots of goodwill, Netanyahu has not.

No matter what has happened the US is watching to make sure a new regime has legitimate intentions Assad is now a goat herder in Siberia a safe haven in Russian terms. All good souls come to an end and none better than by their own people. At least here we do it by vote and that does not taker 50 years.
Iran will not like this situation they will virtually be alone. Another sad state of affaires that can be a plus for Iranian persons.
The world is changing big time. Russia and China on skid row is a further plus for the free world. Cuba is stuffed and has been for years maybe they are close for a flag change peacefully.

Now that Syria is open for business the West better start coming to its senses or they'll make Gaza look like a playground !

The new governors of Libya have a murky past as part of Alqida whoops. how is it spelt ?
Also one report said they were allied with ISIS. Could be a bit of both.
Whatever the truth, they will need watching.
Israel has held out a hand to them, no doubt carefully.
However an improvement all round.

'No other country': Peter Dutton has made a controversial flag claim. But is it correct?
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/peter-duttons-controversial-flag-claim/9ve4afxtm
'Peter Dutton said he would never feature Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags in his speeches, saying "no other country" has multiple flags. Is this correct?'

Peter Dutton is a traitor, he would stand before a Jewish flag but opposes the flags of people born here.
It's one thing to oppose indigenous flag if you oppose disunity.
But another thing altogether if you oppose indigenous flags and stand beneath a Jewish flag.

'No other country (but Israel)'
Stop lying to us, man can't serve two masters.
You are for Australia, or you are for Israel.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2023/oct/12/australia-news-live-julian-leeser-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-anthony-albanese-peter-dutton-gaza-israel-protests-rally-palestine

http://www.jwire.com.au/peter-dutton-joins-friday-night-service-at-central-synagogue/

You know what I think is ironic.
Many of you are so dumb, you're inadvertently supporting your own destruction.
What could be dumber?

You oppose the Muslims, but where did they come from?

- Wars that benefited Israel.

You have Pro-Israel neoconservatives starting wars all across the M/E, and a U.S. congress owned by the Israel lobby that facilitates it, resulting in millions of displaced Muslims coming to our country, and then have the woke diversity agenda, which started out as 'Hate Speech' from the Jewish Ant-Defamation League, (making us smile look the other way and champion 'multiculturalism and diversity' and now you have the Murduch media telling you 'These Jihadi head-loppers are good jihadi head-loppers'

I think you people are so deep into a pile of steaming feces that you can't see straight and have deprived yourselves of all sense of reason.
You people would believe anything.

It's no wonder this country has gone down the toilet.
It's a nation of idiots and shills, in and out of parliament.

Well, I support Australia not that there's much left to support or take pride in,
I'm not sure what you people support but I'm not sure it's this country's interests.

Anyone want to say my claims are untrue?
You all know I can provide links and proof of such.

It's one thing to support multiculturalism and diversity, if it exists as a product of people willfully choosing to be a part of our country, but another thing entirely to support it if the immigrants are a product of wilful displacement in wars that are a means to an end for Israel interests.

You've all been had.

Syria will move to another type of nightmare under the Mullahs and the terrorists - just like Iran after they tossed out the Shah.

Hi ttbn,
"Syria will move to another type of nightmare under the Mullahs and the terrorists - just like Iran after they tossed out the Shah."
- This is not by accident ttbn, it's all part of the long term plan.

The West has always been advocating getting rid of Assad, but they never mentioned what was to come afterwards.
For them, ends justifies the means regardless of outcome.

General Wesley Clark: War in 7 Countries, in 5 Years Speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x17KVOiiGfI

Scroll up on page below and watch the videos
Wars in the Middle East have always been wars for Israel.
http://x.com/toastedavocado2/status/1865174035790991871

How else is Israel going to expand it's territory, if it does not fight a war for that territory in a manner where it can claim its doing so in self defense?
Israel supports instability in the region, it gains power unto itself when it supports sectarian conflict between Sunni and Shia.

You want to know the worst part about all the things I say.
- It's not the things I say itself.

The worst part is that many of you have been brainwashed into thinking I'm the enemy 'just for SAYING' the things I do, even though all of which can be argued on merit.

And soon, I won't be able to say anything at all and this nation will be conquered.

You think the the spiders in your bed are the enemies.
But you fail to ask the more important question of who put them there.

Hi ttbn,
Just sharing on old Saturday Night Live skit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ErE7kl_Bk&t=214s

"Let me pose to you a hypothetical. You get an urgent call from the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who truly is one of the greatest men of this or any age, and he says to you it is vital to Israels security, that you go on national television that night and perform oral sex on a donkey.
- Remember the survival of Israel is at stake, would you felate that donkey?"

- I'm thinking to myself, if you and the other Israeli supporters here are not willing to do that, than it may be that all you people are horrible and disgusting Anti-Semites.

Israel first means Australia second.

We're told that "since 2011 millions of people have fled
Syria to escape the country's bloody civil war between
the rebels and tha Assad Regime which has been accused of
mass war crimes, torture, and wrongful imprisonments".

"Former Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has been ousted
as leader following a campaign from rebel groups".

"Syrian refugees in Australia now feel hope about the
future of their country being rebuilt and peace being
restored".

" Former Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his family
fled to Russia where they were granted asylum, according
to Russian state media".

There's more at:

http://abc.net.au/news/2024-12-10/australian-syrian-community-sydney-react-to-assad-regime-ousted/104702460

Let's hope that the fall of Assad will change the Middle East.

Let's hope that the fall of Assad will change the Middle East.
Foxy,
It will, sadly not for the better !

Why did Israel turn an unlikely bedfellow in Syria into a new enemy?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-12/syria-assad-fall-israel-bombings/104714040
'The enemy of my enemy is my new enemy'

- Because Israel can't achieve any of it's long term goals with peace and stability.
It needs enemies and instability in the region to achieve these expansionist goals.

I've been thinking about democracy
- specifically how it fits in the world beneath another set of realities.

I'm not trying to be anti-Semitic specifically, just looking at things as they are.

First off the U.S congress is owned by the Israel lobby.
If congressmen (and congresswomen) don't swear allegiance to Israel, the Israel lobby massively donates to their opponents and runs a smear campaign against them, meaning it's almost impossible to be elected.

Next you have wars in Israels benefit, The War on Terror, Arab Spring, these war plan policies are fostered by Pro-Israel Neoconservatives.

And finally you have a Pro-Israeli murdoch media, willing to tell you jihadists are good people if need be; whitewashing any ability for the average Joe to make real sense of the world.

Without getting into the 'whys' of it, lets just accept that's just how it is.

Is it for profits or Israels interests? Well we know people like George Soros hedge fund manager promotes open borders and Blackrock bought up chunks of Ukraine, taking a share of the spoils...

What part do western democracies the left and right, play in the above realities?

[Cont.]
What is the lefts part to play?
The left rides on the coat-tails of the immigrant problem these wars have created, as our soverignty unity and values are watered down.
They use the problem to gain more power unto themselves as they are a umbrella party for all minorities (or non nationalists)

Anti-hate-speech and tolerance for immigrants plays to Israelis favour, we can't abide racists in a multicultural society.

The pendulum swings to the left...

And the right rides on the coat-tails of nationalist spirit, and the disgruntlement towards the lefts policies and immigration, but they also take the nationalists feelings as well as evangelicals built in DNA support for Israel and they mesh this nationalist evangelical support with support for Israel.

The pendulum swings back to the right.

Back and forth it goes, we think we the people are winning, but are we?

I see the whole process is like a slow walk, with the right a clearing house of all the bs that ultimately moves us back closer to nationalist interests , but in truth, closer to aligning completely to Israeli interests.

Both the left and the right have been commandeered to serve Israeli interests.
They are both wings of the same bird, but that bird is certainly NOT not a native Australian bird.

As the Prime Minister pointed out:

He didn't think any Australian would support acts of
terrorism not matter who perpetrates them.

I shall repeat what I posted on another discussion:

The Ethics Centre asks the question:

"Israel or Palestine: Do you have to pick a side?"

We're told that:

"Picking a side can shrink our view, making us see the
world through that sides's ethical lens and dismissing
other possible valid perspectives".

There's more at:

http://ethics.org.au/israel-or-palestine-do-you-have-to-pick-a-side/

Hi Foxy

Look what they did to Albo, when Israel didn't get it's way on a UN vote in the last week?
- 'Shame on you Albo, how dare you?', as if Albo were actually standing beneath an Israeli flag and was openly treacherous.
Think about that attitude, the audacity of it...
And ask yourself is this is what every single politician is subjected to who doesn't join the free trip to Israel club?

You think there is fairness for the Palestinians under this cloud of influence
You think there is fairness to any western nation under the same influence Dutton displays?

Palestinians are done for now, the U.N and the world highest courts couldn't stop Israels genocide for land theft.
Like it or not Hamas and Hezbollah were the only things that stood in the way of Israel doing whatever it wanted.
With Syria turned into a failed state, it's the end of the Palestinians, and the whole region will turn into the wild west, to Israels gleeful benefit.
Don't expect any news on the Palestinians, the media have another issue with Syria to shift the worlds focus in the region.
Israel has slaughtered all these people, decades of foreign policy objectives in progress, and none of the dead matter, and no-one is going to stop it.

Madeleine Albright justifies the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children as "worth it"
http://youtu.be/KP1OAD9jSaI

What do you think all this has been for?
We've been lied into wars - with millions dead and displaced.
- And you think there can a fair playing field?

Hi AC,

Yes I do think there can be a level playing field
with the right leadership. And I think that the current
government is doing things well. Look at the alternative.

- Because Israel can't achieve any of it's long term goals with peace and stability.
It needs enemies and instability in the region to achieve these expansionist goals.
Armchair Critic,
Are you sure you didn't mis-print ?

Any of you see this CNN segment on tv yesterday? I did.
Did you spot that it was fake news?
Do you see how they manipulate you?

http://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1867119549872501092

Here's a article from Haaretz 2 weeks after 9/11
Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of Attack

FYI, Odigo was an Israeli social media / instant messaging service headquartered in Israel, but with an office 2 blocks from ground zero
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odigo_Messenger

I already showed you the dancing Israelis, and there were reports that Jews in World Trade Centre knew in advance and didn't show up for work that day.
This video is from Candace Owens, a MAGA supporter on the right, saying it.
http://x.com/DrLoupis/status/1867259945814831562
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens

These 'rebels' that overthrew Syria are considered terrorists by our government and the U.S. no different to Hamas and Hezbollah.
The leader they promote has a US 10 million dollar bounty on his head.

I am going to cut back my so-called anti-Semitic rhetoric though.
But you all should know that the large majority of things I've said, are not a secret, all in plain sight.

I'm not necessarily the one stating it, 99% of the time, I'm simply sharing things that other people have said, or things that are already widely known.

US congress is owned by the Israel lobby, that's a fact.
US wars in the M/E were wars to benefit Israel, that's a stated fact.
US neoconservatives and think tanks are pro-Israel that's a fact.
And all our own democracies have been co-opted with Israeli interests and free trips to Israel, that's a fact.

Is it anti-Semitic to state known provable facts?
- Probably, criticising their genocide and their wholesale slaughter of women, kids and journalists certainly seems to be.

I've just finished re-reading the book by Israeli
Historian - Prof. Ilan Pappe, "Ten myths About Israel".

For the genral public this book explains things from
the universal perspective of justice and human rights.
It clarifies some of the deep misunderstangins at the
heart of the Israel-Palestine problem, in the past and
the present.

Pappe tells us that "as long as these distortions and
inherited assumptions are not questioned, they will
continue to provide an immunity shield for the present
inhuman regime in the land of Palestine".

Pappe says that setting the historical record might
have an impact on the chances for peace and
reconciliation in Israel and Palestine.

"History lies at the core of every conflict. A true
and unbiased understanding understanding of the past
offers the possibility of peace.The distortion or
manipulation of history, in contrast will only sow
disaster. As the example of the Israel-Palestine conflict
shows, historical disinformation even ot the most
recent past can do tremdous harm".

"This wilful misunderstanding of history can promote
oppression and protect a regime of colonization and
occupation".

Is it anti-Semitic to state known provable facts?
Armchair Critic,
No, nor is it anti Muslim ! Facts are facts & they are that both sides are constantly in the faces of the rest of the World. Stop walking around advertising your ethnicity by wearing garments drawing attention to it !
You're fully aware that you're constantly challenging others & causing friction in public. When in Rome wear what the Romans wear. There are more than enough idiots running around like roosters & peacocks.
Some jewish bloke got taken away by Police in Melbourne for waving a jewish flag in full view of idiot protesters. If that's not inciting trouble than what is. I hope the cops gave him a lesson. As if it's not enough to have the River to the Sea lemmings screaming & yelling & being a general nuisance ! Want to do something for your homeland ? Go & live there, stop causing mayhem here ! Both of you !

I'm not necessarily being critical of Israel and things pertaining to Jewish people, any more than I'm actually trying to support and promote a better fairer world for all the people in it, not just revolving around the benefit of Jewish people and their interests.

You all know that I oppose sanctions and regime changes for example.
This is based on my own principles, not anything to do with Israel.
I think sanctions are collective punishment, and I think regime changes are done to benefit foreign interests not the people who actually live in said place.

Syria, for example was done for Israels interests.
America stole their oil, stole their best food growing areas.
(no problems if it's for a cause the U.S. supports)
The Syrian government was that broke because of the loss of territory and sanctions, not paying it's military properly their commanders were setting up checkpoints to tax the citizens, corruption increased, and half the Syrian Arab Army were easily bribed to stand aside with a few hundred dollars.
Before you knew it, poorly trained military were removing their uniforms, putting on civilian clothes leaving their weapons behind and running away.

The US admits this policy of ongoing pressure, only not in the newspapers.
http://www.youtube.com/live/MFsFOS5Odno?t=903s

Now they have Jihadis taken over the country.
Women have been told to cover their hair and men and women must segregate.
You can't argue this is 'Liberal Intervention' in any true sense even if you support removing Assad.
They turned a reasonably good country in 2011 into Afghanistan, and I'd bet the 'prisoners' that were allegedly tortured or mistreated, well they were probably ex-ISIS after the last war and anything done to them was probably no different than the U.S. itself did in inmates in Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
But the media wants us to think about things in a certain way, and this is how we all must think, or they call us some name to denigrate (as they often do on any particular topic) to beat us over the head, denounce said thinking and to make us comply.

There used to be some 300k Christians in Syria, now only about a tenth of that remains.
But you won't find the so-called good and decent western Christians sticking up for them.
They themselves believe they must stand with God's chosen people and Israel has a right to defend itself.
-'To hell with my Christian brothers and sisters'
The Christians are so lost many support killing the Palestinians, like they know not what Jesus taught, thumbs up for the new crusade maybe.

Am I the bad guy for pointing all this stuff out?
Or just the bad guy because I fail to comply?

Can't believe what I just saw on the abc news.
Or maybe I can [rolls eyes]

They did a big 5 minute segment on Syria, talking up the new Jihadi government, first Friday prayers. Anthony Blinken pops in to tell us how great they are... all very woke reassurances.
[Story = Ex-ISIS / Al Nusra Jihadis are good]

Very. Next. Segment.

33 people killed as Israel bombs a refugee camp, post office targeted, covered dead bodies everywhere, not a single word of criticism for Israel...

[Story = Israel is not bad]

Mad. Crazy. Stupid. World.

""Let me pose to you a hypothetical. You get an urgent call from the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who truly is one of the greatest men of this or any age, and he says to you it is vital to Israels security, that you go on national television that night and perform oral sex on a donkey.
- Remember the survival of Israel is at stake, would you felate that donkey?"

It would depend on how good looking the donkey was.

AC, I've mentioned it before, but you're becoming increasingly creepy.

Then we get this from AC..."First off the U.S congress is owned by the Israel lobby." Just what he considers a statement of fact. And with that type of misunderstanding of the real world, AC goes off on some inane rant that is a fact-free as "Alice in Wonderland".

As the world AC thought he understood unravels and his misunderstandings become even more difficult to reconcile, he is becoming increasingly deranged.

While on Israel....

The UN has just passed a resolution condemning nations that violate women's rights. Isn't the UN wonderful, always looking out for the rights of women.

So who did they condemn? Iran where women are killed for not wearing a burqa? Saudi Arabia where 4yo girls are forced to wear the burqa to discourage men from raping them? Afghanistan where child brides are publicly whipped for failing to satisfy their new husband? Pakistan where a young girl was condemned to rape by their court as retribution for her brother having raped a girl from a different family? (the original rape was forgiven!!).

And so on and so on and so on...

Nup the wonderful UN condemned Israel as the ON:Y country in the world that violates women's rights.

Now that's antisemitism. Not that our resident antisemites will recognise it.

Talking about Israel?

There's more at the following:

http://amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

[Story = Israel is not bad]
Armchair Critic,
Have the hostages been released ?

"Talking about Israel?"

Actually I wasn't talking about Israel.

I was talking about the utterly decrepit UN attitude to Israel which is echoed by the antisemites in our midst.

As regards Israel's alleged apartheid.. the last time you raised that rubbish I showed you several points that utterly disproved your assertions. Whereupon you rapidly looked the other way. Until such time as you can address those points, your claims can be and ought to be dismissed as the ravings of the usual antisemmites.

mhaze,

Nothing you say can be taken seriously.

Your posting record speaks for itself.

"Nothing you say can be taken seriously."

Foxy's way of avoiding uncomfortable (for her) facts.

Play the man.... ignore the ball

so Foxy, about those uncomfortable questions about the Israeli apartheid accusation. Nothing to say? Pretty much what we've come to expect.

Lol, he's done it again.
mhaze, you just love stepping in crap don't you?
It's like everytime I drop a nugget, you run over and stand in it.
- Like your trying to win some kind of prize or something.
Personally I recommend you eat your hat and not your shoes.

I've told you about this before, when will you learn?
http://trackaipac.com/

Now go clean the shite off your shoes Alice
- You're stinking up the place... again.

As for Syria, it was a CIA funded program called Timber Sycamore.
Behind the Sudden Death of a $1 Billion Secret C.I.A. War in Syria
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore

I guess you've been watching too much CNN or MSNBC.

And Dana Strout (formerly CSIS now Pro Israel Washington Institute)
Is right here talking about the ongoing U.S policy for regime change.
http://www.youtube.com/live/MFsFOS5Odno?t=903s

Sometimes you really do make it too easy.

Hi Indy,
"Have the hostages been released ?"
- Well, first I'd have to ask if Israel has released the Palestinian hostages?
- Held on indefinite administrative detention without charge?

Then I guess I'd have to point out that words really do matter
And it's often important to make sure you use the appropriate term.

So, taking the following into account...

Occupied Palestinian Territory
http://www.unocha.org/occupied-palestinian-territory
>>The Occupied Palestinian Territory faces a protracted protection and political crisis characterized by more than 56 years of Israeli military occupation, 16 years of the Gaza blockade, internal Palestinian divisions, lack of adherence to international humanitarian and human rights law, and recurrent escalations of hostilities between Israeli security forces and Palestinian armed groups.<<

- which exactly of the following 2 words is the correct one?

hostage, noun
a person seized or held as security for the fulfilment of a condition.

prisoner of war, noun
a person who has been captured and imprisoned by the enemy in war.

AC,

You truly are a fool. (I hesitate to compare you to a donkey) You find one website and think you've uncovered a vast conspiracy.

So, yes, there are some people in the US who lobby on behalf of Israel. That would only be a surprise to someone as clueless as you.

Should I continue your rather meagre education by pointing out that there are people in the US who lobby on behalf of Palestinians. In fact quite a few organisations. Well I'll show you just one just so you can see what a fool you've made of yourself all over again.... http://uscpr.org/

It is truly said that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

So does the Palestinian lobby primary all other opponents that don't support the Palestinian lobby, like AIPAC does?

How Progressive Democrats Were Railroaded in the Primaries by AIPAC and Allied Groups
http://theintercept.com/2023/02/26/deconstructed-podcast-progressive-democrats-aipac/
A people-powered insurgency threatened to reshape the Democratic Party. Then came the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and its allied super PAC, Democratic Majority for Israel.

Pro-Israel US groups plan $100m effort to unseat progressives over Gaza
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elections
Aipac and other groups targeting candidates critical of Israel’s war in Gaza – but progressives are not going down without a fight

AIPAC uncorks $100 million war chest to sink progressive candidates
http://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spending-democratic-primaries-00144552

Does the Palestinian Lobby brag about endorsing 362 candidates and defeating Pro-Israel candidates

http://x.com/AIPAC/status/1854235151795929322
AIPAC endorsed 362 candidates and won in every primary we had a candidate on the ballot!
We helped our friends win and defeated 11 anti-Israel candidates.
Being pro-Israel is good policy and good politics!

Does the Palestinian Lobby brag about 627 million in approved funding bills?
Spend 100m get that back many times over
What a great grift, the US citizens must be thrilled to bits!

http://x.com/TrackAIPAC/status/1867632194480746602
AIPAC posted and then deleted a video bragging about Israel pillaging $627 million+ from American taxpayers

Does every congressman have a Palestinian Lobby person babysitting them?

Thomas Massie Tells Tucker Carlson That Every Republican Congressman ‘Has An AIPAC Person’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ieJkvkPU9M

Do US think tanks write US war policy in support of the Palestinians?
Do Palestinians control US federal Reserve and Blackrock?

Trump took 100m from Miriam Adelson that's why he had to take Little Marco.
Sheldon Adelson warms to Marco Rubio
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/marco-rubio-sheldon-adelson-donors-2016-214680

http://x.com/balajis/status/1670330947617828864
As Rubio has said, "we won't have to talk about sanctions in five years, because there will be so many countries transacting in currencies other than the dollar that we won't have the ability to sanction them."

http://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1818902049200738452
Rubio is angry that Russia, China and Iran are not using the dollar and wants to sanction them for that.
The US has no authority outside the dollar and the connected payment systems.

Slice of humble pie Alice?

Why are Aussie politicians taking trips to Israel more than any other nation Alice?

Federal Parliamentarians Continue To Take More Lobby Trips To Israel Than To Any Other Country
http://apan.org.au/learn-more/israeli-junkets/

Dutton dotes on Israel during visit organised by pro-Israel lobby group
http://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/dutton-dotes-on-israel-during-visit-organised-by-pro-israel-lobby-group,18836

http://x.com/Uncommonsince76/status/1867097477477798146
'Candace Owens talks about how JFK wanted AIPAC to register as a foreign agent, and how JFK and then Israeli President Ben-Gurion were having heated arguments about Israel’s nuclear weapons program…..
All of that went away when Kennedy was shot….
This woman needs 24/7 armed guards. The Truth is dangerous.'

Who came after JFK?

How LBJ forged the US-Israel alliance
http://engelsbergideas.com/notebook/how-lbj-forged-the-us-israel-alliance/

Do I really have to post all this stuff every time you decide to do your nitpicking?

Israel first = Australia second.
Same story the whole collective West over.
Everybody loves the donkey Alice, just like you.
(except me of course, not that I am necessarily against Jewish people - I'll take them as they come)

I'd even hide and protect Yuyutsu for example, if they tried to conscript him again, poor bloke.
- As he once offered to me.

This is why there are laws about 'antisemitism'
- Far too many uncomfortable questions and reasons for criticism.

Dammit Alice,
I said I was going to try and stop posting so much stuff critical of Israel.
See what you made me do. [frown]

So does the Palestinian lobby primary all other opponents that don't support the Palestinian lobby, like AIPAC does?'

Yes.

The End.

"I said I was going to try and stop posting so much stuff critical of Israel."
Like I said, as the world events turn out differently to what your inane 'research' led you to believe it would, you have become increasingly deranged.

Telling us that Israel was doomed. That Russia would overrun Ukraine. That the US dollar was doomed. That China had already won. As each of your moronic predictions unravelled, you should have realised that you were putting your faith in the wrong people. Instead you doubled-down on the insane.

IDF Recruits in Australia: the Untold Story
http://michaelwest.com.au/idf-recruits-in-australia-the-untold-story-the-west-report/

"While the Australian army (ADF) is struggling to recruit soldiers, the Israel Defence Forces (ADF) are on a recruitment drive for young Australians to fight Benjamin Netanyahu’s wars."

These Australians are taking part in a genocide in our name.
They should be named, shunned and banned from ever being in the ADF again, as should any Aussie who puts on a foreign nations military uniform.
You can't wear another countries military uniform and then come back and put ours on, they're traitors who cannot be trusted to be loyal only to Australia.

http://x.com/netanyahu/status/1865020562294128926

>>The burning of the Adass Israel synagogue in Melbourne is an abhorrent act of antisemitism. I expect the state authorities to use their full weight to prevent such antisemitic acts in the future.

Unfortunately, it is impossible to separate this reprehensible act from the extreme anti-Israeli position of the Labor government in Australia, including the scandalous decision to support the UN resolution calling on Israel "to bring an end to its unlawful presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, as rapidly as possible", and preventing a former Israeli minister from entering the country.

Anti-Israel sentiment is antisemitism.<<

You see what i mean?
If 'Anti-Israel sentiment is antisemitism' by Netanyahu's definition, anyone who stands up for those innocent women and kids is an antisemite.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

I'm PROUD to be an anti-semite.
I wear it as a badge of honour, if that's what it means to speak out against wrongdoing and to protect the innocent.
And based on that definition, I'm not the only one here.
- But I'm the only one willing to admit to it.

Hi AC,

Criticising the Israeli government is not antisemitic.

Human Rights lawyer and Executive Officer of the newly
established Jewish Council of Australia, Sarah Schwartz,
told SBS:

"Israel and its lobby" have attempted to use " definitions
of antisemitism to stifle Palestinian voices".

However it is necessary to make a distinction between
Israel's actions and policies regarding Palestinians and
the Jewish people. There are many diverse voices in the
Jewish communities and not all of them support the Israeli
government's actions. It's important not to group all Jews
as one group all supporting Israel. Or to use old stereotypes
on Jews that have been around for centuries.

When blaming Istael, It's important to distinguish between
Israel's action and the Jewish people. The same as it's
important to distinguish between Hamas and the Palestinian
people.

Those promoting Israeli interests are not our friends.
They seek only to manipulate others for their own benefit.

Dear Foxy,

You are absolutely right of course, but Armchair Critic's anti-Semitism is just boring, same old, so I stopped reading it.

Telling him to stop blaming Jews is like telling a drinker, a smoker or a gambler to stop their habit - it doesn't work, it is a waste of time.

Israel has fallen into the wrong hands.
After years when so-called "Palestinians" and their international supporters failed to distinguish between good peace-loving Israelis and bad warmongering and territory-hungry Israelis (and their American Jewish and Christian Messianic supporters), indiscriminately hurting and bombing them both alike, they sent many of the peaceful good Israelis packing, thus changed Israel's demographic balance, so now Israel is controlled by the criminal Netanyahu and his Nazi friends.

The native "Palestinian" people suffer greatly as a result, they are slaughtered, hungry and homeless, but what do their leaders care? They sit in luxurious hotels in Arab Gulf countries and never cared about their people in the first place. Good Israelis can no longer help, they have become a minority and Netanyahu is now dismantling Israel's democracy brick by brick so he can persecute them: either Israel is divided now, or it will become like Assad's regime.

Yuyutsu,

I gave a quote some time ago from The Ethics Centre.
They posed the question:

"Israel or Palestine? Do you have to pick a side?"

They pointed out:

"Picking a side can shrink our view, making us see the
world through that side's ethical lens and dismissing
other possible valid perspectives".

That may be difficult to do for many.

I believe that people have to face up to the moral
implications of their actions and not sit on the fence.
My country right or wrong does not work for me.

I find it tragic that Zionists have changed the country
from being a compassionate nation into a destructive,
uncaring and an inhumane one. The tragedy of the
Palestinians is just as much the tragedy of the Jews.

Hopefully one day peace will come to the Middle East
but I can't see it happening any time soon, not under
Benjamin Netanyahu's leadership and the support of the US.

Dear Foxy,

I agree, but just one point:

When you say that «I find it tragic that Zionists have changed the country...»

Those who did it are not Zionists, just hooligans!

"You are absolutely right of course, but Armchair Critic's anti-Semitism is just boring, same old, so I stopped reading it.

Telling him to stop blaming Jews is like telling a drinker, a smoker or a gambler to stop their habit - it doesn't work, it is a waste of time."

Lets say that same drinker jumps behind the wheel and runs over a child.
Should I blame that drink driver for running over that child?
- Or should I silence myself if someone says 'anti-drink-driver'?

There's lots of things I find objectionable about a lot of different topics.
Should certain topics be 'off limits'?
And if so, why?

I don't like Israel killing all those women and kids.
If no-one says a damn thing about it then Israel keeps doing it.
If we all stay quiet, then we're all giving our silent consent, right?

But if Israeli aligned neoconservatives promote wars with Israel aligned think tanks for Israels interests which also align with Jewish religious interests and are facilitated by a United States which is owned by the Israel lobby, and lies are printed in Western Jewish owned newspapers and war profits are made by Jewish bankers then don't I have a right to say what I think about that?

Maybe you think my rhetoric has the potential to incite animosity and resentment for Jewish people and makes Jewish communities fearful the some new Hitler will rise up?

Is that my fault for saying what I think?
Or other peoples fault for doing what they do?

What makes you think I wish harm to any Jewish people?
I said many times I'm against stupid ideas first and foremost, not necessarily the people who behind them.

If a topic required criticism towards things Mexicans, Japanese or North Koreans do I'd lay criticism at those peoples feet instead.

Meanwhile, did Israel just nuke Syria?
http://x.com/realstewpeters/status/1868460289114735010

Dear Critic,

I did not say that any topic is off-limits - you have the freedom to write whatever you like and I have the freedom to be bored and not read it.

These claims about Jews controlling the world, the media and the banks have been circulating for centuries, so now they are being circulated in the echo-chamber of social-media. Obviously I won't go there (and my browser would block me if I clicked on a link there by mistake): what a pity that it is being banned only for those physically aged under 16.

'Mowing the Grass'

With strikes targeting rockets and tunnels, the Israeli tactic of ‘mowing the grass’ returns to Gaza
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-history/
"For more than a decade, when analysts described the strategy utilized by Israel against Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip, they’ve used a metaphor: With their displays of overwhelming military strength, Israeli forces were “mowing the grass.”

The phrase implies the Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip and their supply of crude but effective homemade weapons are like weeds that need to be cut back.

Such tactics have faced significant criticism from international human rights groups, often due to the disproportionate number of deaths caused by Israeli forces, compared to those caused by Palestinian militants during conflict."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing_the_grass

- What am I supposed to do with this?
The utter contempt for human life is vile and disgusting.

Here's Golda Meir more or less admitting a policy of ethnic cleansing.
http://x.com/77114robot/status/1868030944822820943

The whole nation was founded by terrorism in the bombing of the King David Hotel with Menachem Begin, the Likud Party founded by terrorists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Warburg
"James Paul Warburg (August 18, 1896 – June 3, 1969) was a German-born American banker, businessman, and writer. He was well known for being the financial adviser to Franklin D. Roosevelt. His father was banker Paul Warburg, member of the Warburg family and "father" of the Federal Reserve system."

"He gained some notice in a February 17, 1950, appearance before the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in which he said, "We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest."

The whole entire western monetary system is founded upon the idea of issuing money as a loan with interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_family
The Warburg family is a prominent German and American banking family of German Jewish and originally Venetian Jewish descent.

What am I supposed to do with all this stuff:
- Things that Jews admit to themselves?

Why are we banning kids from social media, which is actually a plan to force us all to use Digital ID?
- Access to pornography amongst other things,
Well who owns and runs all the major porn sites?
Jewish people.

Pornhub, Only Fans, Gridr and more I can't think of right now.
Pornhub's owned by a Rabbi.

http://x.com/Leee3005/status/1868671782582165568
'Meet the nice Jewish couple who happen to be the largest distributors of gay porn in America'

http://x.com/PatriotSt0rm17/status/1865416719516262734
'This is done to entice non-jew women into the porn/whore trap, making them unmarriable.
Their end goal is destruction of the society. The best way to achieve that is destroying the breeding age females."

http://x.com/AncestralVril/status/1702738061371543650
´´The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think Christ sucks.´´ - Al Goldstein

If you could access it, I'd say go through the thread see what you find
http://x.com/search?q=Jews%20Porn%20&src=typed_query

"First off the U.S congress is owned by the Israel lobby.
If congressmen (and congresswomen) don't swear allegiance to Israel, the Israel lobby massively donates to their opponents and runs a smear campaign against them, meaning it's almost impossible to be elected."

AC just says these things like they are established fact. And for him they are fact. He believes them just as fervently as my 3 yr old grandson believes in the tooth fairy. And for the same reasons.

"40% of House Democrats Call For Arms Embargo to Israel"
http://tiny.cc/hgn1001

But those fact will go in one AC ear and out t'other.

No one ever argued anyone into believing or with
ad-hominem attacks.

I wish that I could post as well as Banjo Paterson.

He raises the bar of each discussion.

http://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1868689478845637036
“Russia must be prepared for a direct conflict with NATO over the next decade” — President Putin.
'The cabal that has controlled senile Biden over the last four years is a psychopathic and vile group.
What do we want — World War III or a multipolar world?'

- Where does it all end?
All this talk of soveignty - BS
Democracy is just a tool used against the people for the benefit of others.
All our democracies are corrupted, every one of them.

I said all this stuff years ago before I was ever so 'anti-semitically' outspoken in the way I am here now.
But I'll stop my rhetoric soon and we can all go back to pretending that people like me are just mere 'conspiracy theorists'
Dutton's just a clone and a branch manager for Jewish interests.

"Tikkun olam is a Hebrew phrase that translates to "repairing the world" and is a central concept in Judaism. It refers to actions taken to improve the world and repair injustice, and is synonymous with social action and social justice.
The term has evolved over nearly two thousand years of Jewish thought and practice. It first appeared in the Talmud, a collection of rabbinical commentaries, where it was used to justify legal enactments to maintain the social order. In the Aleinu prayer, it refers to the eradication of idolatry.
Today, many American Jews consider tikkun olam a cornerstone of their Jewish identity. It is a central wellspring of spirituality and meaning for many contemporary Jews."

Why did Jews get expelled from 109 countries.
- Their religious beliefs from the Talmud, from what I can ascertain.

I just want a fair world for everyone; but you can't have that when one group enjoys special privilege.
What happened to 'equality'?

This isn't an personal attack against anyone.
It's an idea based on morals and principles, decency and dignity; respect for the value of human lives.

How many people have to die for for this idea?
As many as there needs to be for the desired outcome?

I think I'm done here.

One more thing...

US defense to its workforce: Nuclear war can be won
http://thebulletin.org/2022/02/us-defense-to-its-workforce-nuclear-war-can-be-won/

Whatever happened to 'a nuclear war should never be fought, because there are no winners'?
We are being lead to our own destruction, by corrupt madmen.

- Now I'm done.

Believe me, don't believe me, go look for yourselves.

Hi Alice in Acolyte-land
"AC just says these things like they are established fact."
- It is an established fact.

AIPAC brags it spent 100m to buy out the US election and government.
- Why are these people not registering as foreign agents?

How Progressive Democrats Were Railroaded in the Primaries by AIPAC and Allied Groups
http://theintercept.com/2023/02/26/deconstructed-podcast-progressive-democrats-aipac/
'A people-powered insurgency threatened to reshape the Democratic Party. Then came the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and its allied super PAC, Democratic Majority for Israel. '

"In the story, Mark Mellman, the head of the DMFI, justifies his strategy explicitly on the basis of his pro-Israel politics, telling me that the left in the United States is too critical of Israel, and that the Israeli right uses the American left to fearmonger their way into power. So he’s trying to beat the Israeli right by first beating the American left."

'The Israeli right uses the Australian left to fearmonger their way into power', sound familiar?

2024 AIPAC-Endorsed Primary Winners
http://www.aipacpac.org/2024election
>>This cycle, an AIPAC-endorsed candidate has won in every district (322 races) where an endorsee was on the ballot.
All 129 AIPAC-backed Democrats who have had their primary races in 2024 have won. These Democrats are strong pro-Israel voices who are also leaders in the Black, Hispanic, Asian American Pacific Islander, and Progressive Caucuses. This includes 105 Congressional Equality Caucus members, 41 Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus members, 21 Congressional Hispanic Caucus members, 34 Progressive Caucus members and 26 Congressional Black Caucus members.
193 AIPAC-backed Republicans have won their elections.
Being pro-Israel is good policy and good politics.<<

- Looks to me like the election race is Israel candidate V's Israel candidate, in every Western country.

There's growing group of disgruntled IDF that might just start a civil war in Israel soon, and it hasn't gone unnoticed that they have stated they're permanently annexing more land in Syria to build more settlements, in contravention of International law either.

Now I'm done with all this Israel stuff, be happy and leave me in peace so I don't need to respond.

"Looks to me like the election race is Israel candidate V's Israel candidate, in every Western country."

Why do you fall for everything you read?

AIPAC are constantly seeking donations and financial support. Therefore they make claims about how well they spend their money and that of their doners so as to encourage more donations.

You'll note (well not you personally AC, but people with a modicum of common sense)...will note that organisations like AJP Action (the pro-Palestinian lobby group, make exactly the same claims about their lobbying efforts.

Every lobbyist in every field in every nation claims that their efforts are effective so that they'll continue to get donations and employment. (How much in donations would they get if they said they're efforts failed - "give us more money to waste like the last money you gave us"!!).

You've got to stop falling for the propaganda from all and sundry.

Just as an aside, fresh food from Woollies isn't inherently better than fresh food from other sources just because they claim to be "The Fresh Food People". That, just like the claims from AIPAC that you fell for, is just propaganda.

You'll learn that when you grow up.

Mhaze,
Please stop acting like I'm stupid.
I'd argue that a good 90+ percent of everything I've said about this topic over the years held merit, and 9 times out of 10 I offered links to back that up.
All you've ever done is say 'I'm wrong', but I'm not wrong.

A greater Israel is, sadly, the best alternative to regional anarchy
http://www.afr.com/world/middle-east/a-greater-israel-is-sadly-the-best-alternative-to-regional-anarchy-20241217-p5kyyx
The tragedy of the modern Middle East is that the Ottoman Empire, while it lasted, solved a problem that would bedevil the entire 20th century into the 21st.

Oh, now they wish to tell us the solution to the problems they've been making themselves is the thing they've been aiming for all along?
- That's called the Hegelian dialectic.

This has been a goal for hundreds of years, and they've more or less achieved it, and we're all occupied and captured nations.
Who cares about human lives, because there's millions upon millions dead for the cause already.
Maybe when the nuclear bombs go off you'll really have cause to celebrate?

Now go real your Talmud and promote their 8 genders and be a light upon the world like a good little Noahide, and don't forget to take your 'Hate speech' cues from the ADL.

I do not support a World government,
But hey there's nothing I can do if you wish to help enslave the goyim because soon I'll be locked up for saying anything about it.

The fact I offered links to just about everything, means at the very least, a reasonable thinking person would consider occums razor.
You don't get that many coincidences when at the same time it's backed up by their own words and actions.
That's why people like me need to be silenced.

I'm not against Jewish people, but I am against stupid ideas no matter who's behind them.
I want a fairer world for everyone, not the one they plan of total domain over the entire planet.
- And an end-justifies-the-means path of achieving it.
And I don't know whether you're a useful idiot in denial, or fully on board.

If they we're willing to blow up the World Trade Centre to justify a succession of wars in the M/E to overthrow countries for Israels benefit, then they are willing to do anything to achieve their aims.

Who blew up building 7?

Neoconservatives have no reverse gear, prepare for WW3.

"Please stop acting like I'm stupid."

You first.

"The fact I offered links to just about everything, means at the very least, a reasonable thinking person would consider occums razor.
You don't get that many coincidences...."

There are estimated to be around 5 billion (Billion) web pages on the www. That doesn't count the comments on 'X' and Facebook and TikTok and YouTube. So massive numbers of comments, assertions and alleged facts.

That, from that myriad pool, you found a few dozen links that supports your daffy claims, doesn't portend anything other than your ability to track down and then fall for such daffy claims.

If you want to consider the "reasonable thinking person" then ponder what a "a reasonable thinking person" would do after being shown by events to have been wrong so often in the past 3 years. I think a "a reasonable thinking person" would start to ponder the utility of his sources and his methods of ascertaining the truth.

Jeffrey Sachs: The Inevitable War With Iran, and Biden’s Attempts to Sabotage Trump
http://youtu.be/Ks0l_Zpt1xA

You know how people sometimes say the left and the right are two wings of the same bird?

Here's your left

The Eight Genders in the Talmud
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-eight-genders-in-the-talmud/
'Judaism has recognized nonbinary persons for millennia.'

ADL tells Congress to curb online hate speech if social media giants won’t
http://www.timesofisrael.com/adl-tells-congress-to-curb-online-hate-speech-if-social-media-giants-wont/
'Appearing before House committee, Jonathan Greenblatt says Silicon Valley firms should have tackled anti-Semitism proliferating on their platforms long ago'

And here's your right.

http://www.c4israel.org/
>>Christians for Israel (C4I) is a non-denominational movement. We believe that God is still faithful to all His covenants with, and promises to the nation of Israel.
We believe that all Christians should be united in their love for the Jewish people, in their support for the nation of Israel and in their collective repentance because of Jewish suffering throughout Church history.<<

House Republicans Will Continue Unwavering Support for Israel
http://appropriations.house.gov/news/blogs/house-republicans-will-continue-unwavering-support-israel

Peter Dutton will be ‘Australia’s most pro-Israel prime minister ever’: James Paterson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1ci27Un4hI

Judeo-Christian values, do you know what that is?
- That's the smaller entity 'Judaism' co-opting 'Christianity' and making them it's b*tch.

I told you, we're occupied and captured, democracy is just a means to an end, and those ends are not in our best interests.

- Australia first, second and third, and everyone else equal last. -

Not my fault you can't see it.
You're like every other moron that thinks the Muslims are the problem;
But fail to ask what wars in whose benefit did they come?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

In Judaism, the Seven Laws of Noah, otherwise referred to as the Noahide Laws or the Noachian Laws (from the Hebrew pronunciation of "Noah"), are a set of universal moral laws which, according to the Talmud, were given by God as a covenant with Noah and with the "sons of Noah"— that is, all of humanity.

The Seven Laws of Noah include prohibitions against worshipping idols, cursing God, murder, adultery and sexual immorality, theft, eating flesh torn from a living animal, as well as the obligation to establish courts of justice.

According to Jewish law, non-Jews (gentiles) are not obligated to convert to Judaism, but they are required to observe the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come (Olam Ha-Ba), the final reward of the righteous. The non-Jews that choose to follow the Seven Laws of Noah are regarded as "Righteous Gentiles" Chassiddei Umot ha-Olam: "Pious People of the World")

* All of humanity
* obligation to establish courts of justice
* but they are required to observe the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come
[What you think happens to those who don't go along with it?]

"We Want Moshiach Now"
http://youtu.be/WnhMntRHqpo

Now please, just let it go for a bit.
I said I was going to stop, so let me.

The Unholy Trinity of Frank, Weishaupt, and Rothschild
http://youtu.be/K0tBGK7UKL4?si=jSQL0MjITaxECyza

Albert Pike's Predictions of 3 World Wars from 1871
http://rumble.com/v4a7gp0-albert-pikes-predictions-of-3-world-wars-from-1871.html
- Not a prediction, but a plan.

Now leave me be.

"Now leave me alone".

I'd love to but....struth!

"Albert Pike's Predictions of 3 World Wars from 1871
http://rumble.com/v4a7gp0-albert-pikes-predictions-of-3-world-wars-from-1871.html
- Not a prediction, but a plan."

Not a prediction or a plan. It was/is a complete and utter fake, hoax, BS, rubbish.

No letter was written, at least not the the one you link to. Surely a letter supposedly written in 1871 that used terms like fascism, Nazi, or that the only place communism would succeed was Russia must have tweaked something in those dark recesses of your mind. Just how bad is your historic knowledge.

So just out of interest I did what you should learn to do and chased it down. The letter probably never existed but if a letter between Pike and Mazzini did exist it didn't say what was claimed for it. All that was added later by various hoaxers and then further embellished by others looking for gullible clicks.

Since you're so fond of links, here some of the myriad exposes of the hoax that 10 minutes research found...

http://tiny.cc/odv1001
http://steemit.com/history/@corbettreport/no-albert-pike-did-not-predict-wwiii
http://tiny.cc/2ev1001

Exit quote from the first link... "the letter is complete and utter hogwash, made up by admitted hoaxers and perpetuated by unscrupulous “researchers” who are more interested in getting clicks than telling the truth."

You know it occurs to me that no one can be a gullible and ill-informed as AC and that he may be just a prankster taking the piss.

Hi mhaze,
In all fairness, it was foolish on me to post the previous comment with the links to the unholy trinity, and the Albert Pike letter.
- Truthfully I didn't even read the letter from the Albert Pike letter link.

I made no hiding of the fact I looked up many conspiracy theory type stuff when I first came here about a decade ago, but really I left all that conspiracy stuff behind a long time ago, and I became more interested in geopolitics.

I guess in some ways I found myself looking at global geopolitics in a way that brought me back to the same conspiracy theory stuff.
Like for example when I started my interest in geopolitics moreso with the Syrian war in 2011, I didn't know about the influence of the Israel lobby or that wars n the M/E were all largely for the benefit of Israel.

I don't know for sure the first video is completely correct, I don't know if Jacob Frank even knew Weishaupt or Rothschild.
And I won't take a position either way of the Pike / Mazzini letter, without an original we can only speculate, I accept your arguments that the words may not fit the period (still haven't watched the video)
If there was in fact a letter, then I wouldn't expect it to be on public display or public records of it.
Freemasons are still in existence today.

In regards to your naysayer position, I accept the criticisms of my previous post, but its kind of like having a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle, with 500 pieces all seeming to fit so far, but these 2 pieces (Pike Letter and Unholy Trinity) not really sure if they actually belong or not.

When Jewish bankers say outright to the House Foreign Affairs Committee, U.S. that they intend to have world government by conquest or consent, should we not take them on their on word?

I decided to go and have a poke through Albert Pikes Morals and Dogma.

Morals and Dogma (1/3) By Albert Pike. FULL Audiobook
http://youtu.be/StgrB60Ch7I

One of the first things they go through are the names of all the degrees so I looked some of that stuff up as well.

Here's a couple of things I looked at.

http://sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md22.htm
21st Degree: NOACHITE, OR PRUSSIAN KNIGHT.
Remember I spoke about Noahide Law in Jewish religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

http://sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md26.htm
25th Degree: KNIGHT OF THE BRAZEN SERPENT.
2nd Paragraph - >>Maimonides says<<

I think maybe I first came across some of this 'anti-Semitic' content listening to Texe Marrs years ago, to be honest with you. Maimonides was a Rabbi

TEXE MARRS - Holy Serpent of the Jews
http://youtu.be/o6Thzu5qPKk
He's Christian minister, but he ain't exactly Pro-Israel.
http://www.texemarrs.com/
He's obviously an enemy of the World Jewish Congress.
http://tinyurl.com/ymsrx9c5
(Note the fact he's a Christian and there are Jewish attempts to censor)

http://sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md31.htm
30th degree: KNIGHT KADOSH.
>>WE often profit more by our enemies than by our friends. "We support ourselves only on that which resists," and owe our success to opposition. The best friends of Masonry in America were the Anti-Masons of 1826, and at the same time they were its worst enemies...

...The avowed object of the Templars was to protect the Christians who came to visit the Holy Places: their secret object was the re-building of the Temple of Solomon on the model prophesied by Ezekiel...
..."The Templars, or Poor Fellow-Soldiery of the Holy House of the Temple intended to be re-built, took as their models, in the Bible, the Warrior-Masons of Zorobabel, who worked, holding the sword in one hand and the trowel in the other. Therefore it was that the Sword and the Trowel were the insignia of the Templars, who subsequently, as will be seen, concealed themselves under the name of Brethren Masons. [This name, Frères Masons in the French, adopted by way of secret reference to the Builders of the Second Temple, was corrupted in English into Free-Masons, as Pythagore de Crotone was into Peter Gower of Groton in England.<<

You posted it without even watching it?

Struth.... 'nuf said.

"its kind of like having a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle, with 500 pieces all seeming to fit so far"

No, its like having a jigsaw puzzle of the Eiffel Tower and thinking your making a picture of the Tower of Babel.

http://sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md33.htm
32nd degree: SUBLIME PRINCE OF THE ROYAL SECRET.
[Master of Royal Secret.]
>>THE Occult Science of the Ancient Magi was concealed under the shadows of the Ancient Mysteries: it was imperfectly revealed or rather disfigured by the Gnostics: it is guessed at under the obscurities that cover the pretended crimes of the Templars; and it is found enveloped in enigmas that seem impenetrable, in the Rites of the Highest Masonry.

Magism was the Science of Abraham and Orpheus, of Confucius and Zoroaster. It was the dogmas of this Science that were engraven on the tables of stone by Hanoch and Trismegistus. Moses purified and re-veiled them, for that is the meaning of the word reveal. He covered them with a new veil, when he made of the Holy Kabalah the exclusive heritage of the people of Israel, and the inviolable Secret of its priests.

--

It's kind of clear from a basic look that it includes the rebuilding of the second temple, Jewish religion, an organisation for business interests and profit, and Kabalah.
- But I'm not expert.

Also just out of curiosity and memory, I decided to ask google a question: You are free to copy and paste this into google and do this yourself.

'Does Judaism say the world will be 70 nations ruled from Jerusalem'

AI Overview
'Yes, in Jewish tradition, the world will be united by the rule of the moshiach and the 70 nations will be brought to Mount Zion to serve God.'

There's some interesting looking results over in the right hand column.

"You posted it without even watching it?

Struth.... 'nuf said."

- I knew the existence of it and looked at it many years ago.
I posted both of those videos hastily, (with the pox on)
- I was trying to do the right thing, and leave this entire topic go.

You can nitpick the questionable bits, right - that's fair.
But that doesn't mean you can muddy the entire river for it.
There are still many things which are fact and cant be denied.

I was a fool to give you a sitter, because you always skip over the parts that are difficult to deny, and jump on me for the more dubious stuff.

Which was why I admitted the foolishness of what I did immediately upon response.

Throwing those 2 earlier links out that I did was even more stupid than mentioning 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'
I say even more stupid, because in the case of the protocols, I think off memory it was a Jewish judge that presided over the HOAX determination.

You see now mhaze,
I'm opposed to the idea of world government.
I oppose sanctions and overthrows.
I support diplomacy dialogue negotiations and compromise to conflict.
I'm not against foreigners, but I oppose our country being a homeless shelter for the product of someone else's wars.
And I uphold the human rights of the innocent, even Muslims.
(But I don't want our country turning into a haven for Jihadi's based on some UN immigration dictates, handed down by WEF and Davos)

It's not Anti-Semitic to want these things, or oppose the causes of conflicts currently occurring in the world.

I'm happy for foreigners to come here as long as it's an amount that does not have a negative or detrimental impact on the existing citizens, and the people who come here have to actually WANT to be a part of what we already have and make it better rather than try to make our place the same as wherever they came or are running from.

This is where I'm at, and we all have our own ideas of whats best.
You may very well have completely different ideas to me, and you are every bit entitled to have them.

Speaking of negotiations and compromise...

Vladimir Putin says 'negotiations and compromise' will be needed to end Ukraine war
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-20/putin-says-ready-to-negotiate-ukraine-with-trump/104748818

But America has a 'winning' attitude, as does Trump himself.
Neoconservatives are relentless and have no reverse gear.
After the Minsk agreements, the Wests words and agreements cannot be trusted.
I think Putin is saying the West needs to compromise it's position, Russia has stated it's own position many times.
Lavrov says if Russia's terms are not met the outcome will be decided on the battlefield.

Piers Morgan SCHOOLED About CIA False Flags!
http://youtu.be/_1D5ILOWPmQ

Just because its not in the news anymore doesn't mean its not still happening
http://x.com/AdameMedia/status/1871129733578338532

World gone mad

‘Who the f are you?’: Horror footage emerges of Australian teacher interrogated by Russians
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/who-the-f-are-you-horror-footage-emerges-of-australian-teacher-interrogated-by-russians/news-story/92a972fa7017b4b0eae3d742b6b13b62
A 32-year-old Aussie teacher has been captured by Russians, with distressing footage showing him being interrogated, slapped and paraded.

You see the news wants to tell you that the above is a horror video.
But that man chose to go there and fight, he knew the consequences.

Meanwhile I'm watch dead people in Gaza bombed by Israel getting their faces eaten off by stray cats.
http://x.com/Bernadotte22/status/1870944541705998428

You won't see that in the news.
This kind of shite is happening every single day.
The Muslims are certainly watching it too

And all the immigrants, product of Israels middle eastern wars
All our leaders pandering to Israel
You think these people care about our countries?
You think they care about us?

http://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1871000842285068673
The 60 Minutes journalists went to Sweden to show us the wonderful world of diversity but were attacked and chased away by diversity itself.

You see what the woke have done pandering to these people?
You see what the right have done, by aligning us all with Israel?
In the end, we'll be begging for a security state
No-one will be safe, you think all those stories of mass rapes in Sweden arent true?
Did you not see what I showed a few days back happening in Germany
Do yo not see what is happening in the UK
You think diversity is our strength?
It's naive foolishness.
We are being destroyed.

Their fate would already be ours if we weren't a big continent so far away, but they will breed us into minorities within a generation
What do you think will happen then?

Israel is making it's problem, all our problems
I keep telling you all about spiders in the bed
The real problem is who put them there

GOP Congressman Says Dead Palestinian Babies Aren’t All That Innocent
http://newrepublic.com/post/178679/gop-congressman-brian-mast-dead-palestinian-babies-not-innocent
February 2, 2024

>>A Republican representative believes that Palestinian babies are not innocent civilians but “terrorists” who should be killed.

Florida Representative Brian Mast made the horrifying comment when confronted by Code Pink protesters outside his office on Wednesday.

In a video, Mast can be seen calmly telling the demonstrators, “It would be better if you kill all the terrorists and kill everyone who are supporters.”

When asked if he has seen the images of Palestinian babies killed in Israeli attacks, Mast says, “These are not innocent Palestinian civilians.”

“The babies?” the activists asks in astonishment.

Mast then says that the “half a million people starving to death” should have elected a pro-Israel government.

When one protester points out that much of Gaza’s infrastructure has been destroyed, Mast says, “And there’s more infrastructure that needs to be destroyed.”

“Did you not hear me? There’s more that needs to be destroyed,” he says again for emphasis.<<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjbZO8LCOf4

It's hard to avoid the double standards if we look at what the mainstream media sells us.

Russia accused of launching ‘inhumane’ attack on Christmas Day
http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russia-accused-of-launching-inhumane-attack-on-christmas-day/news-story/634e485d886606b4581c9f671922a128
If you read this article, a few things stand out.

First is the repeated emphasis time and again to demonise Russia for attacking Ukraine on Christmas.
Second is the criticism for attacking energy facilities, labelled as inhumane.
Third is what they omit, (related to the first issue) which was that Russia proposes a Christmas truce which Ukraine rejected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Russian_Christmas_truce_proposal

Now lets go over to Israel.
Four babies die from hypothermia in Gaza, as Israel’s war pushes Palestinians into tent camps
http://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/25/middleeast/israel-gaza-babies-freeze-to-death-winter-intl/index.html
Do they demonise Israel for acting 'inhumane' here?
- No of course not.

Israel bombs Yemen power stations and airport in strikes against Houthis
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-27/israel-bombs-yemen-in-strikes-against-houthis/104764930
Do they demonise Israel for bombing power stations in Yemen (or for previous power station attacks in Gaza)?
No of course not, they say nothing but instead report Netanyahus attempts to justify it.
>>These military targets were used by the Houthi terrorist regime to smuggle Iranian weapons into the region and for the entry of senior Iranian officials," it said in a statement.
"This is a further example of the Houthis' exploitation of civilian infrastructure for military purposes."<<

The real problem in Ukraine is people exiting the country.
I heard 150 000 people left in the space of 24hrs.
This may be related to 'Zelenskys final task for the U.S.' which was to draft 18 year olds - in relation to this a bill has apparently been submitted to the Rada (unconfirmed)

I'll tell you about a couple more things.
The North Koreans fighting for Russia might be an outright lie, South Korea said it would join the war on the Ukrainian side if the North became involved.

Secondly is the issue of locating weapons factories in Ukraine.
One may think 'this is stupid', but it's about providing Ukraine with the ability to attack targets deep inside Russia, so the West can get around any kind of Russian blame or red-lines for doing so.

New York Times reveals Israeli extermination order authorizing killing 20 civilians for each “combatant”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/12/27/gdhz-d27.html

On Thursday, the New York Times published a detailed account reporting the existence of official Israeli military documents authorizing the killing of 20 non-combatants in every attack on a single presumed Hamas supporter, with the ratio in some cases reaching 100 to one.

The report makes clear that Israel has waged its war on Gaza as a war of extermination, with the killing of the civilian population through aerial bombardment a goal co-equal with the massacre of those who have taken up arms against the Israeli occupation.

The Times reported that within hours of the beginning of the October 7 attack, the IDF issued an unprecedented order authorizing the effectively unrestricted bombardment of civilian areas of Gaza.

“In each strike, the order said, officers had the authority to risk killing up to 20 civilians,” the Times wrote.

The order authorized the IDF to target figures vaguely associated with Hamas while they were at home with their families, creating the conditions for the systematic and deliberate massacre of entire households. “It meant, for example, that the military could target rank-and-file militants as they were at home surrounded by relatives and neighbors.”

The Times added that “senior commanders approved strikes on Hamas leaders that they knew would each endanger more than 100 noncombatants—crossing an extraordinary threshold for a contemporary Western military.”

Hamas launched long range ballistic missiles from Gaza on Jerusalem today.