I hope you all understand that there's no way to address this issue without being attacked by someone, I don't want conflict, but that's where we are headed, and that's what I wish to avoid.

Every time we vote, we decide the lesser evil.

So it shouldn't be so wrong to propose a question in that context.

What is the lesser evil;

The white Australia policy we had going back 20 or so years ago;
Or what has become of the UK, Germany, Sweden etc.

We need to think hard about this, it's no different to the decisions we have to make everytime we're forced to go to a polling booth.

What future do we want?
And it's people like Foxy, people who identify with an immigrant past, who think Islam is no threat to us, and that we can all live happy ever after that we need to present the argument to most of all.

What future do you want Foxy?
(and please do not be offended at my singling you out, no offense intended, but you fit a category that suits my argument.
You are the kind of person or people we need to convince that serious problems lie ahead if they're not addressed)

Hi AC,

No offfence taken. We're all from different ancestries
after-all. Some later, some sooner. Therefore we should
be able to identify with each other - no probs.

Trouble makers and extremists have always existed. Here in
Australia our governments have dealt with problems rather
well I think. We have set criteria that has to be met
before visas are issued. And permanent residency is not
all that easy to get. We have caps on immigration numbers.
We have criminal checks. We have our security intelligence
agencies who are thorough, So, I'm not sure what else can
be done.

We also have the rule of law - which we expect everyone
to abide by.

I don't think that we should compare ourselves to other
countries. Europe with its open borders and history is so
different from us. We've always been clear and we have
established clear and shared expectations.

I'll repeat what I've posted many times. We are a country
that doesn't like disturbances, valuing stability.

We are suspicious of demagoguary. We have a fondness of
long standing norms and conventions but we're comfortable when
these are challenged with merit and through due process.

We have allowed a wide diversity of people but we also
prize the arms-length distance from the world that our
geography allows. In other words- we are unique, and we do
things in our own way with our own laid-back swagger.

Also I would not worry too much. Younger generations usually
fit in rather well. They always have.

I love this country and I would not live anywhere else.
As for my taking the side of immigrants? I look at things
differently. There's good and bad in all people. But I
don't believe in a "them" and "us" division. Sooner or later
most of us all become Australians. Even those that don't want to
be without realizing it - will become different to the people
in the countries they left behind. Going back for a visit
makes that very clear.

Hi Foxy,
Thank you for not taking offense, and accepting my arguments in the spirit it was intended.
'I don't seek to cause conflict, but only to prevent it'

I think it's fair to say that these other countries probably also had the same checks and balances you speak of, but these were nonetheless ineffective in maintaining a quality of life the people there expected for themselves and their children.

The writing is on the wall, and we should keep this in mind.
To ignore what's happening in these other countries will likely consign us to the same fate.

I don't know what the answers are, but I think it would be foolish to ignore the problem and put it into the too hard basket, hoping that somehow the result will be different for our nation than it is for the others.

It's a controversial topic with controversial issues;
- But I don't think ignoring the issues to avoid initial conflict is a sensible path forward, as this only ensures there will be more and greater conflict later.

If you're driving down the road and hear a glug, glug, glug of your wheel-nuts not tightened up properly - should you ignore that problem hoping that somehow catastrophe can be miraculously averted by doing nothing?
If so, one would be a fool.
The question then is - Are we a nation of fools?

I may support the Palestinians right to live in a state of their own free from oppression, and I defend their human rights;
But this does not mean I'm willing to see Australians living under oppression either, from an ideology that would diminish our own human rights.

Hi AC,

I'm not for one minute suggesting we ignore the issues.
But I do feel that being inclusive and respectful and
getting to know others and making them feel welcomed
helps. Getting their own communities involved with us
also helps.

I feel that education of each other is key if we're going to
live in peace side by side. The success of this depends on
an understanding of each other and a wish to implement
necessary programs. Only education will provide the necessary
means.

Of course today, we might have very serious concerns with the
fundamtalist fringe in the middle east - just as we do with
the fundamentalist fringes of Christianity and Hinduism -
but we should never forget the role that these people played
1000s or so years age.

These people discovered (just as some of their Christian
counterparts did) that scholrship was possible in
religious environments.

Anyway it's unfortunate that clashes have occurred. Especially
when cultures instead of pursuing a high point of
scholarship stagnates in a mire of Old testament beliefs and
AD 700 desert culture.

Armchair Critic- You have raised some very important ideas in your posts here today. We should continue to tell the truth, as we see it.

It's a full time job and not without significant risk to ourselves, especially when our objections are often still being conceptualized, and we often don't agree completely with each other. Woke Marxist's seem to dictate public discourse, and if you ignore the signalling, you will be discredited and rejected from social structures. They appear to use shock troops in the form of loser narcissists or proxy groups to infiltrate social structures. I think that the Woke Marxist's are fully as vicious as the diverse people attacking Liz Hayes team and members of the public in the video.

What can we do...

Highlight what the Woke Marxist's are doing to shutdown the debate, building up libraries of knowledge, using corporate PR techniques of attack and defense. As Foxy said- encourage people to listen to ideas they aren't fully comfortable with. Others, such as Darren Hinch, have said, that we should let people speak, because if they are idiots they will betray themselves. But the Woke/ Marxist's are accelerating censoring and gagging the speech of their opponents, using their dominating market share in the media to achieve it. They are so effective at censorship, many in the public can't even imagine a different perspective on certain issues.

The tree that the Woke Marxist's seemingly grow from are the universities, we need to poison the poisonous tree, and replace the top of the tree with better people.

We should try and help those in other nations, in situ in their nations, within reason, to adopt better systems and processes, if they will listen, if not we may need to create barriers to prevent their problems from affecting us, and stronger methods if they are persistent in interfering with us. There is also the third nation problem in international affairs. Some resources are critical and these situations are the axels around which geopolitics rotates