After pointing out that people discriminate all the time for their own good, Peter Smith in “In Praise of Discrimination”, 13/10/24, then writes that when it comes to who we allow into Australia, we do not discriminate along lines that are good for Australia.

Australian regimes allow into our country anyone who wants to come here, with few exceptions, including the maniacs from theocracies who hate us and our values, and who are now taking over our streets.

We should be choosing the best: those with the most to offer; not criminals, terrorists and terrorist sympathisers, and “disabled people” currently accepted by Albanese, Wong, Burke, and the Greens.

And, of course, multiculturalism has always been a “crock”.

Our immigration policy should be aimed at helping Australia be a “secure and pleasant, prosperous country” for its citizens. Something it no longer is.

Smith believes, as I do, that the national interest should be the only criterion driving immigration.

https://quadrant.org.au/features/australia/304822/

It’s a while since I visited the Quadrant website. It has certainly gone downhill.

Smith’s article is guilty of the logical fallacy of equivocation – taking a word with two or more meanings and applying one meaning in one part of the argument and another in a different part.

Australia’s migration policy does unashamedly discriminate in who it lets in, in precisely the way you suggest it should – selecting people whose skills, age profile etc confirm with those the Australian Government thinks we most need. The great majority of immigrants are people whose skills are in short supply, and their families:
http://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/what-we-do/migration-program-planning-levels

We do have a small annual humanitarian intake, but the rest are pretty much only allowed in if they are expected to make a positive contribution to the economy and society.

Our policy is “non-discriminatory” in the sense that race and religion are not criteria in determining eligibility. Quite rightly.

What Smith’s dog-whistle article does is to implicitly conflate the two types of discrimination – implying that by not discriminating on the basis of race or religion, we are not choosing the best migrants. It presents zero evidence to demonstrate why this is so.

Currently there are about 70,000 visa overstayers in Australia who should have been deported by now.

The gene pool is in desperate need of freshening up but the present flooding by pretend "refugees" is not helping at all !

Discrimination is a great quality - it means knowing right from wrong and true from untrue.

While action may follow discrimination, discrimination itself is about recognition alone: while discrimination is legitimate at all times, any following action(s) still ought to be legitimate on their own merits.

While blocking someone from entering your home or your society is generally legitimate, blocking them from entering a whole country or continent, is not. Your home is yours, your society is (in common) yours, but the land is God's, not yours - you have not created it, so only the improvements you make of the land can ever be yours, not the land itself.

By all means, do discriminate and based on that freely decide whom to invite and whom to admit into your society(s), but when others enter the land anyway, uninvited, you have no moral legitimacy to physically block and/or expel them. It goes without saying that such uninvited people would still not be entitled to be admitted into your society or enjoy its benefits and the improvements you made on the land.

In summary, do discriminate - but include in that discrimination not only the material advantages and disadvantages, but also what is morally right or wrong for you to do.

Yuyutsu,
Invasion is not welcome under any circumstances as Australians are only too familiar with. Invasion by stealth & deceit is a totally different game altogether. It is one thing to take over land & provide for all but to arrive with no intention in the first place to pull your weight for the good of all & state your open agenda to take over the Nation is not on in anyone's language !

Australia has a very successful multicultural society thanks to the intake of post war migrants. Yes, there is always problems with people, regardless of ethnicity, but in Australia those problems have been relatively minor compared to the benefits immigrants have brought to Australia.

When we see or hear what appears to be the nonsense of “successful multiculturalism”, and retort that it hasn't been successful anywhere since it was it was forced on white, Western countries only, perhaps we have got the the wrong end of the stick, and it has been successful in doing the job it was meant to do: destroy Western civilisation after the mongrels responsible for are dead and gone e.g Malcolm Fraser in Australia.

If multiculturalism was meant to bring down the West, as I am convinced it was, then it is proving to be very successful.

regardless of ethnicity,
Paul1405,
yes, there are bad apples in every crate however, when you have crates upon crates of bad apples delivered to your shores instead of having them sorted first then you're literally inviting a contaminated harvest. To claim this import to have unforseeable consequences is as idiotic as it can be.
Race is not the issue here, it's ethnicity. IMO one of the worst factors is dual citizenship as people are splitting their loyalty from the start.
There are also those who take on Australian citizenship for a smoke screen because the silly system allows religion to be instrumental in changing this society in their favour not in Australians favour ! After all, the Census statistics are what policies are made on not the number of people.

If my parents and grandparents had not been invited to
come to Australia and settle here to fill the acute
labour shortage post World War II. If they had not
been accepted here they would have joined the millions
murdered by the regime from which they were fleeing.

Therefore I care deeply about refugees and asylum
seekers. My family worked hard in this country.
They taught us to respect the norms and values of our
neighbours and colleagues. They taught us to avoid
stereotypes, judgements, and biases.

I think the reason that in our country we've been
successful with multiculturalism is because
our governments have been clear and inclusive and have
established clear and shared expectations.

Their policies and programs have helped greatly.

Australia is, in my opinion the best country in the
world. That's why so many want to come and live here.
We're not perfect. But we're certainly better than
many others.

All of us have ancestries of people who came from elsewhere.
We are and have always been a diverse people. Even our
Indigenous people were made up of different tribes -
speaking different languages.

We need as human beings care about injustice and inequality.
We need to find our shared humanity and what unites us not
look for divisions and exclusions.
We should care deeply about refugees and asylum seekers and
that they should be met and welcomed to this country.

Migrants have made a huge contribution to our nation. And
they continue to do so. That is something that we need to
acknowledge . Because it is factual.

Dear Indyvidual,

If anyone is to be blamed for "invasion" then it is the white/British Australians who "took" the land from the aboriginals.

But I am not asking you to feel guilty because you are not an invader - you are a guest on God's land just like the aboriginals before you, it was neither previously their land nor is it now yours. They had no "right" to prevent you from coming, nor have you any "right" to prevent others - and those who attempt to forcibly prevent others from coming are bullies.

There should be no need for stealth and deceit because those arriving from other continents into the continent of Australia do not even need to inform you why they come, just like your ancestors never had to inform the aboriginals why they arrived.

If people arriving wish to join your society as well, then of course that is a different story - if they want to be entitled to welfare, healthcare, aged-care, police+courts protection, etc., then obviously you may ask them why they come, then obviously you have every discretion whether or not to accept them into your society - but not so if they only wish to move into this continent.

If anyone is to be blamed for "invasion" then it is the white/British Australians who "took" the land from the aboriginals.
Yuyutsu,
We all know the Aborigines but we're still unclear as to who the Aboriginals were although new findings are made as DNA testing goes on. The Aborigines claimed all the Aboriginals had but they're not accused of invasion.

Foxy & Yuyutsu are trying to imply that those who come here lately under the pretence of refugee are of the same mentality as the post war European migrants ! That is nothing short of wishful thinking. Don't they read what's going on in Europe & the USA ?
Or, do they consciously choose to ignore the facts in favour of their ideological dreams somehow hoping all the wrong will magically disappear ?
The post ww2 migrants were looking for a better life whereas the new crowd is looking for an easier life & gaining control over the hosts. vast differences !
Australians need to start thinking what kind of Nation they want to live in !

Dear Individual,

I was not trying to imply anything, certainly not about immigrants of any kind.

All I was writing, was about discriminating between right and wrong.

If we don't like these new immigrants, whatever be the reason, then we need not invite them into the convenience of our society and the benefits that come with it.
We have no moral right, on the other hand, to physically prevent them from entering this continent, which is God's, not ours.
That was all I said, there were no other implications.

to physically prevent them from entering this continent
Yuyutsu,
I don't think many would have a problem with that. Where the trouble starts is; how these people will then behave. Will they pull their own weight & contribute like my generation & those before us did or will they demand welfare from day 1 ?
Will you et al sponsor them if they choose to just demand everyone else supports them ? What is your take on those who have been in Australia for a generation & still don't speak the common language here & what do you plan to do when they tell you what to do like it's happening now in Europe ? Will you sponsor their demonstrations & pay for the damages caused by unloading their mindless baggage on you ?
Please tell me where I'm wrong by predicting the same scenario playing out here as it does in Europe.
Would you like to see Australia continueing as a Western nation or would you you be acceptable of the Islamic European alternative ?
I wonder what Paul1405 could offer from an indigenous viewpoint ?

Indyvidual,

My parents and grandparents did not come to this country
seeking "a better life". They were fleeing from the
Soviet regime and being murdered. They were part of the
Displaced People in Europe who were invited by the
Australian government to come to
Australia to solve the
acute labour shortage in the country at the time.

They had to fulfill a 2 year contract to work wherever they
were sent before they could settle permanently. They came as
refugees. Not as economic seekers. And as so many are
trying to do today. Fleeing from persecution.

In any case, whatever the reasons may be for people coming
to this country today - they should not all be tarred with the
same brush because of the actions of a few trouble makers.
You have to allow for individual differences. And our
government does have in place very strict monitoring
processes and security checks.

We need to acknowledge that every inhabitant adds something
to Australia. Of course there are those who've left a
bigger footprint.

As we know from our history - Australians come in all shapes
and sizes, from all backgrounds, - from different countries.
They come from the city, from the country, from every
state.

Over the course of our history - author and satirist -
Ben Pobjie points out - we've had "titans of
businesses, legends of sport, giants of science, colossi of
philanthropy, and masters of politics".

Ben Pobjie tells us that " Australians have led the world in
myriad ways and whether generating wealth, inspiring youth,
opening up the vistas of human potential, saving lives, they've
done it all in a peculiarly Australian way. With a swagger
and style that marks a person out as an inhabitant of the
scientifically determined greatest country on earth".

Don't compare us to other countries. We're different.
We do things in our own way Of that we can be proud.
Instead of criticizing and spreading fear - let us
celebrate being Australian in the best way we know - with
the joyous cry of - "Aussie! Aussie!, Aussie!"

Onya!

Dear Indyvidual,

«Will they pull their own weight & contribute like my generation & those before us did or will they demand welfare from day 1?»

Generally neither. I think they'll just mind their own business.

«Will you et al sponsor them if they choose to just demand everyone else supports them?»

If they were my relatives then I probably would.

But how could they possibly "demand"?
Suppose they used violence, then people will simply kill them (remember, they wouldn't even enjoy the protection of the law!)

«What is your take on those who have been in Australia for a generation & still don't speak the common language here & what do you plan to do when they tell you what to do like it's happening now in Europe?»

At the moment we do not have such people in Australia, who arrived without asking for a visa and then stayed here for a generation.

So I don't make any plans for every possible hypothetical scenario - let them come and then we can work out what to do on a case-by-case basis.

«Will you sponsor their demonstrations & pay for the damages caused by unloading their mindless baggage on you?»

What demonstrations?
What damages?
What mindless baggage?

Such people do not even exist at present.
If and when they arrive then they won't be part of society,
then we will relate to them more or less like we presently treat animals (either wild, livestock or pets): let's first see animals demonstrating before discussing it further...

«Please tell me where I'm wrong by predicting the same scenario playing out here as it does in Europe.»

We cannot compare immigrants who wish to become part of European society with people who come to a continent without wishing to have any relation with the native society.

«Would you like to see Australia continueing as a Western nation or would you you be acceptable of the Islamic European alternative?»

Neither. I do not believe in that false concept of "nation".

We aren't even comparing apples and oranges, but the moon and mice...

Indy,

"I wonder what Paul1405 could offer from an indigenous viewpoint ?" Firstly I don't claim to be indigenous, other than have said I have some indigenous ancestry. I'm sure you don't claim to be an ethnic Nincompoop from the land of Nincompooply, even though your Great Uncle Thaddeus was brought to Australia in chains, and suffered the lash constantly due to the family trait of habitual laziness.

Well, we certainly don't need any more Paul1405's let alone import any !

Hi Indy,

We imported YOU, but unfortunately there was no 30 day money back guarantee, and no returns policy. I blame it on Gough, for giving you the sack in 72' from the Public Service. I bet you spent the 1,000 free bucks quick smart, but are you still living rent free in that taxpayer house! Once the Seniors National Service is up and running you'll be apples. BTW what size boot do you take? For the Boot Camp.

Hi Foxy,

A good news story, my wife has made a new friend, Nichina, an Indian lady about 35, who she met as a client coming to receive a hand up with us. They are a family of 3, only been a short while in Australia, has a young son at school and older husband. Nichina's husband didn't want her to come and get "charity", but Nichina defied him and came. The good news is Nichina was so lonely in Brisbane, not having family or friends here, but now she has joined our team of volunteers and has made a new friend as well. Nichina's husband came on Monday to see what his wife is doing, and he approves, he's a nice quite bloke as well.

p/s Nichina gave my wife some "pumpkin curry" (vegetarian) and Roti bread she made, it had a different taste, rather spicy, but nice. She was apologetic that she has been unable to get certain Indian spices she likes to use, not here in Brisbane, so her cooking is suffering, so she said. I think we'll take her to the 'Inala Markets' next time, lots of Indian stall holders there, might find the spices she wants to add to her curry.

Get over the past. Immigration is nothing like it was immediately after WW2, when Australia actually needed immigrants. It wasn't popular then either, but at least the immigrants were European, Christian and fitted in.

Immigration policy has zilch to do with “refugees” and “asylum seekers” claiming to be escaping, but then wanting to live the same way they lived in the country they “escaped” from. The rubbish now being allowed in do not comply with the 1950s Refugee Convention that should have been scrapped years ago.

Australia is not the “best country in the world”. A country is only as good as the people in it, and we have filled this one up with some very bad people.

Migrants do not come here to make a “huge contribution” to Australia. They come here for their own benefit. Saying anything else is bullsh.t. Immigrants - the ones who work and don't shuffle around footpaths all day - do not contribute more than anyone else, and then only because they are required to pay income tax like anyone else.

In the meantime, another nutjob Green ACT election candidate has compared Osama bin Laden with Jesus Christ. The nutjob's name is Harini Rangarajan. Sounds like another one of those ‘huge contributors’ to Australia.

The nutjob I mentioned yesterday, Cruz, is now tweeting about having Hezbollah removed from the terrorist list. This lunatic of a Portuguese/Spanish background is also ‘contributing’ as a librarian. Green librarians, so vital to the Australian economy.

Even with the very low bar we have for politicians in Australia, Green immigrants ( including Faruqi in the Senate) and non-Anglo/Saxon/Celtic derivatives are not suited to this country or its governments, state and federal.

Multiculturalism needs to be dropped altogether, as should the ridiculous idea that ‘all cultures are equal’. Australia had a distinct culture until we were overrun by immigrants and “diversity”.

The latest insult to our culture comes from Tony Burke, who in September, appointed a Muslim artist to the council of the National Gallery who hates Israel, and lies about Israel “conducting a ‘holocaust’ against the Palestinian people”, and calls for a “End to Zionism”.

This unpleasant character, Abdull-Rhaman Abdullah, has also referred to Australia as a “bigoted and selfish nation”.

Thanks for that “contribution” Abdull! Burke reckons you represent “modern Australia”.

Why do these people come to a country they obviously hate. To gradually impose Islam on it, while our useless politicians look after their own affairs, and bugger Australia, allowing, even encouraging, the continuing denigration of our culture?

We do not have to tolerate the rubbish being forced down our throats. The idea of Australia still being the great country it was before multiculturalism is going out the door.

Australia's birth rate is the lowest it has ever been, but the population is exploding because the Albanese government is replacing Australians with immigrants. There is no incentive to breed as there is in countries like Hungary, where women are rewarded handsomely for having babies. Lots of little Hungarians with Hungarian values, compared with, in Australia, lots of aliens with alien values, often anti-Australian/Western values.

Albanese is trashing our values and symbols. Everywhere politicians pop up spruiking, there are three flags, not just the one flag that stands for Australia and Australians. These days, Australia is all about tribes and races: all about difference and division. Councils now refuse to hold citizenship ceremonies on our most important day, Australia Day.

We are also lumbered with “refugees” and “asylum seekers” to the tune of around 110, 000 per year. As of last month, the yearly intake was 118,089.

Albanese spent 12 million taxpayer dollars on providing free legal advice on refugee claims, 80% of which turned out to be false claims.

Palestinians on TOURIST visas are getting free health care. And shouting hatred of Israel in Arabic on our streets.

Australia has been, and is being, totally rooted by the Albanese government.

Paul1405,
How does it feel to be so obtuse that you couldn't even qualify as cannon fodder but were accepted as a bureaudroid ?

Well, we've now had wall to wall Labor & see how wonderful things are working out. Looks like they're in such deep trouble that they actually are trying to lose the upcoming elections so they can use not being in power as an excuse for not having to be responsible for their mess. of course if we get a coalition Govt it'll all be their fault !

Indy,

You bang on about a forced National Service for young people, but when YOU were given the opportunity to "serve the nation" YOU dodged it! As the Lovely Pauline would say, PLEASE EXPLAIN!

PLEASE EXPLAIN!
Paul1405,
I have the mentality & discipline & sense of responsibility instilled without a National Service. You don't have the mentality & discipline & sense of responsibility !
You clearly lack these basic qualities ! I bet you can't see the difference !

A lot of the discussion here is about how wrong it is to discriminate
against the religious beliefs of prospective immigrants.
That is a mistake and each religion must be examined for its principles.
Islam, because it is so strict in its beliefs it needs special attention.
Here are a few examples;

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. (2:191)

·  Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood. (9:123)

·  Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or
refuse to pay Jizya tax. (9:29)

·  Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable. (3:85)

·  Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)

·  Do not hope for peace with the infidels - behead them when you catch them. (47:4)
There are many more.

These quotes are recited verbatim. It is blasphemy to reproduce them in
modified form and as such is punishable by death.
Our problem is when we find something like that in the Bible, we say
oh it is not like "that these days in the new testament".
However it is not like that in Islam. Sure many moslems would not take
the Koran literaly, but they will not say that !
All that is the reason that many moslems are becoming atheists.
However many accept the Koran as the word of God and is absolute.

Ever wonder why Mesopotamia, that area that is now what we call the
Middle East that used be the land of Christian Greeks, Jews, Zoroastrians,
etc etc are now almost entirely Moslems of Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran etc etc ?
Then look at India, once Syke and Hindu. Now Pakistan and Bangladesh.

There is an Arab word for conquest by immigration and a verse in the
Koran about the tree calling out "Moslem there is a Jew hiding behind
me come and kill him !"
and Foxy it is all believed to be the word of Allah !

Paul1405,

I believe in compulsory National Service for both men and women ... such training also gives you skills to survive.

During WW11 Australian men were given six weeks basic training and sent to fight a well trained Japanese Army.

WhiteMouse,
People either though not knowing any better or simply to suit their argument will not make any distinction between Military Service & National (non military) Service. Non Military National Service (NMNS) should be served by anyone before they are 21.
Military Service should be for those who so desire & are actually mentally & physically qualified.
A NMNS would encourage thinking about & developing a mentality to lead into adulthood with far better results than mere tertiary education.
The out come would be a society much improved from the one we live in presently.

The financial benefits of migration can be exaggerated: contributions are offset by the additional demands and strain on public services and infrastructure. In the the UK it has been shown that low-paid migrants cost an average of £150,000 by the time they reach state pension age.

There’s also the erosion of cultural cohesion and social stability with mass migration from countries with low levels of civic virtue and trust.
Conventional wisdom holds that trying to export democracy to foreign cultures is futile. So, it is also futile to expect large numbers of migrants from those same cultures to convert to the democratic values and civic virtues of Western societies. Multiculturalism has put foreign terrorists on Western streets.

I am afraid ttbn were are talking to the deaf. Nothing will change
until some rabid Islamist takes offense at something he sees and
decides to found or find a group to attack an Australian city.
Now what a target the Opera House would make !
Surely amongst the thousands that Albo brought in from Gaza there a few
that are harbouring a hatred of Democracy, Christianity, the Jews or
just because girls do not cover their hair or their legs !

That type of thing has really caused a lot of stabbings on trains and
in the streets in Germany. No wonder AFD wants to export Moslems.
Do we need to wait till their % numbers reach that of Germany ?
The question is really as simple as that !

For those on the hard right national service is a very nice "Thought Bubble" just like Dutton's un-costed, un-realistic, nuclear power generation nonsense. Just to give you some idea of the enormity of universal national service. There are about 3.5 million Australians aged 16 to 19, on that basis alone 850,000 per year would need to be processed through a compulsory NS system. Forget the logistics of it all, the cost alone would run into many billions, and the cost benefit would be ridiculously negative. Some Old Farts would feel a whole lot safer watching a parade of uniforms marching up Main Street on a Saturday morning, but that's all it would be, a stupid idea!

Baz

I'm not really talking to people anymore; just saying what I think, and passing on stuff that I think might be of interest to some people.

You are right. It's going to take something drastic to happen before a few posters here get the message.

But, we are only handful and we don't really know what the majority of Australians think until they vote. We might be pleasantly surprised next year.

Given the viciousness of the Left, the average Australian is probably best served by just getting on with life, and saving their thoughts and wishes for the privacy of the ballot box.

My prediction for the next Federal election is Labor, the Coalition and Greens will suffer on their primary vote, reactionary parties like One Nation, Family First will get blown out of the water, and the big winners will be progressive independents like Teals. The first time ever I have voted for an independent in the Queensland State Election, stacked up against sudo-progressives and a couple of Old Fart racists, religious reactionaries I had little choice. BTW both Labor and LNP have placed the independent candidate last on their HTV's (Seems the LNP cocked up and have him 2nd, but intend to gets new HTV's printed with the independent 6th and last). Says something when Labor prefer the racists and religious bigots above a true progressive.

BTW; Should have seen the cackling mob (the other 5, no so much the Green woman) on Friday at pre-poll going on like the self righteous hypocrites they are about the Independent bloke.

Immigrants - what are the people saying.
Not the rich well to do's that live in different suburbs and call racism
The ones who live in the same suburbs

In the US, the people are sick of undocumented Haitians eating their cats and dogs
And in the UK, you have people complaining about rape gangs and two tier laws and people like John Cleese and Jeremy Clarkson saying 'It doesn't look like London anymore'.

Apparently John Cleese and Jeremy Clarkson aren't representative of British people of British values anymore.

On thing is for sure, they aren't listening to the concerns of people that have to live alongside them.
This country will go the same way eventually.

"Surely amongst the thousands that Albo brought in from Gaza there a few that are harbouring a hatred of Democracy, Christianity, the Jews or just because girls do not cover their hair or their legs!"

Why do people need to be from Gaza to have those views?
My relatives we ANZACs and I have these views.

Democracy gave us Albo and Dutton, immigration and censorship.
The Christians4genocide have shown themselves as loony tunes and the Jews are land occupying and stealing genociders, with Israel responsible for the Muslim influx and tensions.

Bit early in the morning for such mumbling isn't it Armchair ?
You seem to have become unlocked.
I do not see Australian girls covering their hair and no one throws
stones at them because they have legs.
I do not go berserk because I see a girls hair and never did !
Also the Jews are not occupiers, where did you get that idea ?
You must have been listening to the protestors.
What time did you get up ? Perhaps you needed another hour or so.
I think we need to draw a red line under our customs and not let outsiders
impose their restrictions on us.
No Sharia Courts, no Jizaz Taxes, no caliphates legal or infered for us.

Indyvidual, a national service was not an option for those of my time.
We either went on to university or like me did apprenticeships.
By the time I became qualified I was 21 and was looking for an area of
work in industrial electronics or radio.
I had no time for nonsense like National Service.
Also I had discovered girls and was having a good time.
The only cause of a need for the natshoes is because the teachers
started pushing the schoolies to go to university.
As a result we have hundreds of thousands with worthless degrees and
trying to find work for which they are not qualified.
The effect is we have no one to build houses for those overqualified.
Other areas are feeling similar strains.
Now we bring in millions of similary unskilled migrants.

Bezza,

You certainly have a biased opinion of migrants; you say "Now we bring in millions of similary unskilled migrants." That is a Trump style lie.

Lets look at the facts;

In 2022–23, there were 195,004 places delivered under the Migration Program—up 35.8 per cent on the 143,556 places in 2021–22. This was comprised of: 142,344 Skill stream places 52,500 Family stream places (includes Child visas) 160 Special Eligibility places.

Where are YOUR MILLIONS OF UNSKILLED. Just as you are ignorant of Islam, not having read a word of their holy book, just a load of pontificating nonsense, now you are shown to be wrong (probably lying) about migration. When you have a racially motivated mindset like yours, you will say anything derogatory that fits, be it thru or untrue.

Paul1405,
so, apart from bureaucracy where are most of them employed ?

Indy,

Doctors, nurses, tradies, managers, engineers, professionals etc, etc, etc. Unskilled/semi-skilled employed in retail, logistics, factories, farming, construction etc etc etc.

Some clunkers when they hear the word "migrant", they immediately think they are all Muslims coming to commit acts of terrorism. The top 3 source countries for emigration to Australia are, India, China, Philippines, not one has a dominant Islamic population.

Then we have people who migrated here 50 years ago from who knows where, too ashamed to say, and all they have done is live off the public purse, first off it was the dole, now its aged welfare until they kark it!.... 50 years of free loading!

Paul1405,
I see you conveniently left out those whom we're talking about !

Indy,

I presented factual information concerning the intake of immigrants, there is no evidence to support the bigoted racism propagated by some, there is no "MILLIONS OF UNSKILLED" as the case maybe. Can you substantiate your claim that migrants are simply joining the bureaucracy.

There are those who migrate to Australia and enjoy (live off) the public purse, and continue to do so for the rest of their life. I understand people do come here from god forsaken bombed out joint where benefits like the dole and aged welfare are nonexistent, and unfortunately they proceed as parasites to live of us taxpayers forever! Do you know anyone fitting that description?

Paul 1405,
Stop the vindictive twisting of words, we're all sick of it. If you're too stupid to know what this ? means then have the decency not to waffle on !
Fyi, where I spent my working life it was indeed quite a number who actually claimed indigeneity ! Many of them of Malay, Japanese, Chinese, Samoan, Polynesian, Indonesian ethnic heritage.
Many of them performing better than Caucasian Australians.

What we don't need in Australia is face covered cowards dressed in black, a group of about 20 neo-Nazis ran riot yesterday in the streets of Melbourne. Police had to use capsicum spray on the violent mob of thugs who were chanting white supremacist slogans and trying to disrupt a peaceful asylum-seeker rally. These peoples views align closely with far right political parties.

Indyvidual

The only way to deal with 'wafflers' and 'word twisters' is to ignore them. You encourage idiots each time you respond to them.

These peoples views align closely with far right political parties.
Paul1405,
Are you for real ? That kind of behaviour is extreme Left not Right !

Indy,

These people dressed up as "Black Ninjas" are anti migrant racists, just like members of the One Nation party. that's the type of political party they most identify with. So are you for real, or just deluded.

Paul1405,
What makes you think anti migrant & racism are lined ? How many migrants are anti Caucasian?
How many Caucasians have provided to help non-Caucasians ? How many non-Caucasians are known to have helped others ? How many Leftists are providing for the community vs Conservatives providing for the community ?
The list almost endless regarding the non-contribution of Leftists vs Conservative contribution !

How many non-Caucasian countries take in Caucasian refugees ? How many Ukrainian refugees have been given assylum in African or Asian countries ? How many Southerm Hemisphere Nations are taking in migrants ?

Indyvidual,

Former Labor leader in the Senate, Stephen Conroy, came up with the best way to deal with serial pests when discussing Lidia Thorpe: “Just stop talking about her”, he said.

The same advice can be applied here, on OLO, and social media, where people tie themselves in knots trying to argue with people who just won't shut up until they are ignored. They have nothing to contribute except contrariness, and often abuse; they cannot be dealt with in the normal way. And as sure as hell, they are not going to change because people argue with them; they thrive on the attention.

they cannot be dealt with in the normal way.
ttbn,
Yes, I simply reply to our resident Amoeba for others to see how silly some people become. He's doing us all a favour exposing that kind stupidity for all to see & hopefully some of the not so yet indoctrinated will see sense in time from witnessing his antics !

Indy,

Indulging in name calling again; "resident Amoeba".

It was posted that Australia is being flooded with "millions of unskilled migrants" which I responded with the real facts the likes of you couldn't dispute. Now the resident octo chimes in with advice just for you. That's the same bloke who touts that we should be voting for the far right One Nation party, a party whose racists candidates believe in outrageous conspiracy theories and other assorted garbage.

Mass immigration has seen us in a per capita recession for six quarters. It has given us a housing shortage. There is no one to build houses because they are tied up in big government projects. The immigrants causing the housing shortage are not helping because they are not going into the building industry - they are driving taxis, ubers, delivery vans and buses.

Growth is at an all time low because the newly created jobs are in the public sector: producing nothing at taxpayers' expense.

The government is too reliant on income tax; more so than any other country.

With all these people, we still don't manufacture very much, relying on imports from the country that is the biggest threat to us, Communist China. It doesn't get more stupid than that!

As well as the masses of immigrants still coming in, there are 210,000 overstayers in the country, all having their appeals paid for by us.

BTW, Indyvidual. You are not obliged to call out idiots for being idiots. You don't have to take any notice of them.

It's one leaf (probably the only one) that could be taken out of Albanese’s book. He recently admitted that he takes no notice of what people say online because he 'couldn't get through the day' if he did.

The Trumpster ttbn with fake news, claims the majority of migrants become "taxi" driving fellas, or "pizza delivery" blokes on bicycles. What are the top 5 occupations of skilled migrants;

1. Nursing
2. Software programming
3. Electricians
4. Carpenters
5. Construction workers

We should make allowances for the old bloke living in the back blocks of SA. Obviously the only 2 migrants he sees in a week, is the bloke who drives him down to Gods Waiting Room on Tuesday afternoons (the taxi driver) and the bloke who delivers his dinner on Friday nights (the pizza delivery). He then assumes all migrants are driving cabs or delivering pizzas on bicycles! Probably also believes they are all named Mohammad as well.

occupations of skilled migrants
Paul1405,
What "skills" did you find among the migrant street gangs we see on security cameras in the driveways of suburban homes ?

Indy,

Crime is a problem in any society, yes immigrants will commit crimes as will native born. You see something on the telly and immediately jump to the conclusion that those involved must be migrants. That's your prejudices, generally place of birth is not given in those kinds of 30 second news stories, but the likes of YOU will always assume the worse.
I believe you were a migrant, a lad at some stage, is this something based on your personal history? A simple question what country were you born in, you seem to be ashamed of it, was it some Mafia state, full of criminals? I'm proud to say I was born in Australia.

BTW; Stats indicate migrants generally commit crime at a lower rate than average.

immediately jump to the conclusion that those involved must be migrants
Paul1405,
You might, I don't. I'm a migrant & I don't run around stealing cars or breaking into homes. Most migrants I know don't do those things either.
Most security footage shows gangs of every complexion & they might not be migrants but they could likely be the sons & daughters of migrants just like most people here.
It can not be denied that there are certain migrant groups whose members do not assimilate & they're the ones drawing attention !

After letting in 3,000 untested Palestinians into our country, and allowing the same sort to shout what they like on our streets, the Albanese government has decided not to grant a visa to American Candace Owens. Minister Burke says Owens would spread discord in what would have been a short visit; but he is OK with the discord now regularly practised by people whom he has allowed to live in Australia.

ttbn,
Mentioning these incompetent gits by name spoils many decent peoples' day !

The granting or denying of visas is being used by the Albanese government as a weapon in the culture wars. The refusal of a visa to Candace Owens has nothing to do with protecting Australia, or that Owens is a bad person: it is all about her having views not favoured by the Far Left Albanese government.

The Albanese government continues making Australia out to be a nation of ignorant boofheads, when in truth, the main boofhead is the government, not the people. Boofhead Burke has a nice ring to it. Burke can rightly be accused of using visas as a weapon against anyone he disagrees with. And, will the embarrassment and silliness of granting 3,000 unvetted Palestinians TOURIST visas ever be lived down!

The Council of Australian Jewry has taken to the Federal Court the Islamic preacher Wissam Haddad, aka Abu Ousayd, for an anti-Semitic rant he published online last year.

Haddad/Ousayd described Jews as being “vile and treacherous” and claimed that their hands are “everywhere”, “in business”, “in the media”.

The Council believes that this Islamist has contravened sec.18c of Racial Discrimination Act. They hope to deter other people from using racism in promoting their political views.

The Albanese government is not doing anything to protect Australian Jews. Perhaps the court can.