Fester rational thought is help full in debate if you can find xenophobia in my posts you can not claim to have it.
Some cling so desperately to ideals they believe in, not caring or understanding those ideals are minority views.
World trade in workers is a very old trade Australians once worked in England in jobs of every kind.
Some still do, we export skilled workers to all corners of the world, few who consider the facts do not understand this is true.
Boots and all some share my views, 457,s are being used by SOME in a criminal way, workers can not be found in this country to do SOME of the work.
Yes the fruit rots on the ground in some areas, and so it should! chain stores make massive profits but the growers make little and pickers far less than wages should ever but, separate issues.
It is not anti Australian to speak the truth we have a skills shortage, must start to fix it.
We must confront the fact all growth in this country post ww2 has been with the help of immigration.
Now in truth I think in fact know some anti migration posts are driven by concerns at who comes, in that only may a suggestion of xenophobia be made against me.
No defense I am concerned at SOME from within ONE, not all ethnic group, that some should not bring hatred for my culture to this country.
Would Japan or China any country in the world not share my concern?
Hardly a crime to say in print what Australians mostly think.
Can I except that you believe an earlier post that almost inferred immigrants are all disease carriers is true?
That post was xenophobic in my view.

Belly

“Can I except that you believe an earlier post that almost inferred immigrants are all disease carriers is true?”

I said no such thing. But your comments are certainly xenophobic, and whether it is what most people think make them no less so. You should try to get away from the idea that anyone who disagrees with your mass immigration philosophy is morally defective. My interest is in what action will bring the greatest prosperity to Australians.

Immigration has been on great benefit to Australia, but this is no reason to believe that it will always be so. I have hope that technical development will allow a greater population to live prosperously, but I would like to see the technical breakthroughs first.

I think it valid to investigate all options. Cutting immigration may well free up enough skilled workers to cope with the demands of the mining boom.

What we think to be true is inherently unreliable. What is needed are well researched ideas.

Fester your last post infers I hold your views against you? that I am ,well racist!
I can only judge you on your posts we share different thoughts and ideas, sorry but I do not place the same value you do in your ideas, is that proof of racism.
or fear of other races?
The post scrambled as it was inferring quite a bit about migrants was not yours it was however xenophobic

"Fester your last post infers I hold your views against you?"

No Belly, it infers that you dont understand the concept of xenophobia: You lament its presence in others, yet use it as justification for a more populated Australia, albeit on the basis that it is what most Australians think. Further, you falsely attributed a comment to me.

You may be right in claiming that Australians will become more prosperous with high immigration, but thus far you have given me little confidence that your view is based on sound reasoning.

Thanks for the discussion. I think we can agree that all on this thread are concerned for Australia's continuing prosperity.

Yabby wrote:

"In 1995, I was the first around here to go online. Telstra charged me 6$ an hour, later 9$ an hour for that. ... blah blah blah"

This is a red herring and doesn't address my previous rebuttal of your implication that Telstra collapsed as result of deregulation: "If an industry collapsed when it was deregulated, then clearly there was not much substance behind it in the first place, ..."

I rebutted this nonsense. Here is my rebuttal once again:

"Telstra didn't collapse. It was crippled by the policies of the then Telecommunications Minister Kim Beazley with the support of the then Liberal Party Opposition. It's revenue base was slashed when it was forced to give away a huge slice of its market share to Optus and Vodaphone. Then in 2000 it was forced to shut down a perfectly good analog mobile phone system built at a cost to customers and taxpayers of the order of $AU1billion in order to make the digital networks of Optus and Vodaphone more financially viable."

Of course telecommunications technology has got cheaper and better through the years, but does it necessarily follow that it would not have occurred if Telstra had remained a publicly-owned owned monopoly?

In 1976 as I wrote elsewhere (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=6326#92911) Telstra had plans to provide universal comprehensive fibre optic broadband access. If Telstra hadn't been stuffed around with deregulation and privatisation we would have all had it well before the end of the twentieth century and it would have been a lot cheaper than any of the rip-off contracts now on offer.

Now Yabby, once again, how about addressing the evidence and spare us the ideological claptrap and debaters' tricks?

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Belly wrote: "I am unsure of some bigotry seen here."

If you are referring to what have written, please show what it is that you consider bigotted.

daggett please read the thread, I have been trying VERY HARD not to address posts made by pale, however.
Yes however, posts inferring some migrants and students get more that their share including health care cards.
That furpy that most bring illness to this country?
Fester I would hope you too can understand this, if we read the full thread, then on returning read all after our last post,, we will keep in touch with it.
I will never. not ever. bury my concerns at the behavior of one minority within one religion and race.
Racist? Have you been confronted by that minority? in the streets of Sydney?
I will not give my country away but we own much of our greatness to migrants from all over the world.
The thread speaks of a world few of us ever thought we would live in a world built on international trade.
The thought that we should not take place is xenophobic.
Telstra? entrenched waste, service not a requirement we are better of with what we now have, not good enough but better.