The Communists have warned against Australia visiting Taiwan.

https://youtu.be/uc76QXnCAlY?si=lJVtLLItQ8PSJxjl

Beijing - interfering in Australian politics for the umpteenth time - claims that the visit would be a violation of the One China policy and that it “emboldens and supports the Taiwan separatist activities”.

Separatist activities? Taiwan has never been part of COMMUNIST China.

Albanese really must start making it clear which country he wants to be friendly with. A Communist dictatorship, or a democratic one with a similar size population and similar values.

In contrast to Communist China's instructions on whom Australia should visit, Albanese doesn't have the stones to tell Xi Jinping to stop the the PLO's aggressive acts towards the ADF in international waters and airspace.

The Prime Minister has made it clear that although
Australia supports the one-China policy, this does not
rule out having trade agreements with Taiwan or sending
ministers to visit Taipei. The PM stresses that Australia
is a sovereign state and as with other jurisdictions, its
free to engage with Taiwan in the trade and political arena.

The Lowy Institute tells us that:

"Beijing might want to lash out at Canberra if Australia
steps up trade and political engagement with Taipei but
Beijing simply has too many reasons to play nice with
Canberra to allow an expanded trade and political agenda
with Taipei to torpedo the Australia-China relationship."

We're told that not only does China want Australia not to
block its entry into the CPTPP ( Comprehensive and Progressive
Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership - for trade and
expansion - the Indo-Pacific is now the world's leading
region of economic growth). China wants Australia to take a
more permissive approach to investment in critical minerals.

China wants to stop Canberra from swinging its financial
weight behind the US moves to starve select Chinese technology
companies of foreign capital.

The Lowy Institute points out that the considerable
keverage that Australia has over China on these and other
issues means Canberra can probably pursue deepening ties with
Taipei with the ultimately low risk of seriously damaging
relations.

Conflict over Taipei would certainly have dire consequences.
It would risk sparking a US-China war and destroy the hard
won Liberal Democracy of Taiwan. However, Canberra does have
an eye out for these dangers and is aware that China also has
a lot to lose.

Only good China CCP. Taiwan SuX. OK?

Behold glorious China 70th Anniversary display superior to 20 Olympic Opening Ceremonies - http://youtu.be/xwP7ac2WXR4?si=6SPU_yCmo8VTPivV

Bob-each-way Albanese is a liar who doesn't know what he supports. He certainly does not support the official Chinese view of ‘One China’ - the lie that Taiwan is part of China.

Taiwan has never been part of Communist China.

Taiwan has been occupied by 6 different countries since the 17th. Century, including imperial China, until 1945, when it was handed back, from Japan, to the Nationalists. But, it has NEVER been part of Communist China. In fact, the Nationalists escaped to Taiwan from the Communists.

Hence, Taiwan is an independent, democratic country that Albanese would be prepared to ‘do the dirty on’ in a worse way than he has done to Israel.

Despite China's protests Australian MPs will attend the
inauguration of Taiwan's new President on Monday in
Taipei.

A bipartisan delegation of Australian parliamentarians
will attend the inauguration of Taiwan's President
Dr Lai Ching-te. There will be up to four federal
parliamentarians amongst more than 400 foreign
politicians and officials welcomed by Taipei for the
event on Monday.

Here's two jokes on China doing the rounds:

Two men in a Chinese prison are discussing their prison terms.
One says:

"I was sentenced to ten years, but I'm innocent."

The other replies:

"If you're innocent, it's only five years."

_____________________________________________________________

Three men in a Chinese prison:

The first one says:

"I'm here because I opposed Chairman Jinping."

The second one says:

"I'm here because I supported Jinping."

The third one says:

"I am Jinping."

'China Says We Must Not Visit Taiwan'
- Perhaps we shouldn't send a government delegation to Taiwan then.

Of course we could just go ahead and 'do whatever we want'
But is it worth the pain of the trade sanctions and tariffs that will follow?
- Aussie jobs?

What's more important?
Australian interests or Taiwanese interests?
Or is it U.S. interests?

How does it benefit Australia?
Do we have more to lose by sending the delegation, or more to gain?
If you think we have more to gain, then please explain your reasoning.

AC

As yet, there is nothing to say that the Albanese government will take any notice of the CCP; I hope it will do “what ( it) wants” and send visitors to Taiwan.

It is the arrogance and obvious aggression of the CCP in trying to dictate to Australia that is the issue.

“But is it worth the pain of the trade sanctions and tariffs that will follow?
- Aussie jobs?”

Of course it is. Jobs first. Thousands of manufacturing jobs in Australia have gone to China, with the manufacturing itself. Without those jobs, there is nothing for unskilled/semi-skilled workers left. The much-touted “green” jobs are just not there; any genuine jobs of the future, if there are any, will see a generation of people who lost jobs to Communist China too old to get back into the workforce.

Tariffs. CCP blackmail and bullying. I don't know how far back your memory goes, AC, but Australia was doing fine before the U.S. foolishly opened up the Communists’ membership of the WTO, the rules of which they have continually broken since they joined.

The only people who “needed” China then, and “need” it now are greedy billionaires and politicians; the people who don't give a stuff about us - just what they can get out of us.

Australian interests are paramount. But we shouldn't be relying on a Communist dictatorship if we want to protect those interests. America? Nothing to do with this topic.

How does it (the visit) benefit Australia? It enhances our belief in democracy. It shows China that we are not going to be a vassal state of their Communist dictatorship, that treats its own citizens and minorities like rubbish. We are siding with a fellow democratic country.

Also, if Taiwan and its islands go under, the CCP will have achieved most of its aim to cut us off from America.

China does not fear Taiwan, it rightly fears an "American Taiwan", with American personnel, armed with nuclear weapons stationed there, pointed at Chinese cities! These installations being added to the already 800+ in more than 70 countries, including Australia, Japan and South Korea where America has a belligerent military capability. These America installations are armed with nuclear weapons, and pointed at all its "enemies" and "friends", ready to be fired at a moments notice, from that silly old fool in the White House!

You must remember one crucial historical reality.
For a thousand years or so all surrounding countries have been
supplicants to the Chinese rulers.
This is a mindset that the communists are taking up with relish,
hence their attacks in the Sth China Sea.
In modern times "surrounding" has an expanded meaning because of the
modern speed of travel.
Under the modern meaning Australia is a dependant country.
There is a word for it but it escapes me.

So Australia has to remember its place.

Baz

Would the word that has escaped you be ‘vassal’, which means subordinate. Communist China wants Australia and other countries in the region to be subordinate to, or vassal states of, China.

Australia and the rest of the West started to pave the way for them the moment they allowed China into the WTO. Now, “harmless” trade is China’s main weapon in its war against us.

I am of the opinion that Albanese’s behaviour towards the dictator and “Chinese characteristics” indicates that he might not be adverse to the idea of vassal hood. There is nothing new about the governments of one country being puppets for foreign powers. The puppets still get the money and the perks, without the work.

Albanese is the laziest, responsibility-avoider ever to be PM of Australia. The truth is a stranger to him, too. He is also a coward, as evidenced by the aggressive Communist actions against the ADF.

To me, a liberal democratic country supping with evil, murderous Communism for any reason at all, including trade, is abominable.

Why do you suppose when politicians say one china policy is correct. It does, but that does not say Taiwan is included. Taiwan has never been part of China. Hong kong is no better than the rest of China now. Taiwan should be in the running to rule China.
China in on the verge of self destruction any way.

It's amazing that some people, for financial gain, admiration for the Beijing regime or a mistaken belief that Chinese domination is inevitable and/or benign, still ignore or play down the ongoing threats from the Communist dictatorship.

Ex-politician, Kevin Andrews, calls them "pander huggers", which makes them sound as ridiculous as the greenie 'tree huggers" were before they turned on the trees and started barracking for the windmills replacing the trees.

As a country, we must continue to be fair, sensible, and reasonable.
And not give in to intimidation.
We can allow another point of view without agreeing with it.

Aussie MP suck on CCP OK? Respect glorious Communism. Xi Xinping luv youse all OK!

Watch weakly honky white poisons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmp51YN-7wc&t=2m16s

SuK on that youse capitalist shrivelling Gonads.

Yo Muma :)

Randy Rainbow deep thinker kom-peared 2 yuz litewates on this thread http://youtu.be/LPQYAT3wH_g?si=A-fDzHizMcQZQPh0

Trumpy gorilla superior to youse non-Amerikanz http://youtu.be/KMiDf3Q1QfI?si=m_5a3xVpg0e-kwd-

Please excuse Maverick's alter ego above. For she is crude.

"It is the arrogance and obvious aggression of the CCP in trying to dictate to Australia that is the issue."
- If the Chinese said 'Don't jump off a cliff' or 'Don't step in front of a bus' would you do it anyway to spite them?
My question is why are you so determined to do something that goes against our best interests?
What is it exactly that we have to gain?

And why cant you weight up the potential benefits and compare them to the potential costs and come to a conclusion that it's not in our best interests?

"Thousands of manufacturing jobs in Australia have gone to China, with the manufacturing itself."
- Capitalism goes wherever it's most profitable.
Don't you like capitalism, would you rather socialism or communism.
The fact is we are the losers of capitalism, because we can't compete.
That's why all the jobs went to China.

"Tariffs. CCP blackmail and bullying. I don't know how far back your memory goes, AC, but Australia was doing fine before the U.S. foolishly opened up the Communists’ membership of the WTO, the rules of which they have continually broken since they joined."
- That's what losers say when they can't compete.
"You broke the rules"

Tariffs will do more harm to the US economy.

"The only people who 'needed' China then, and 'need' it now are greedy billionaires and politicians"
You mean the ruling class, elites and political donors who can afford to 'buy' democracy.
- I thought you said democracy was a great system?

WEST'S COLOSSAL MISTAKE: US Decline, Rise of BRICS, Tariffs Damage US Economy |Prof. Richard Wolff]
http://youtu.be/7KFSFQidUiQ

FYI, from what I understand Richard Wolff is a Marxist economist, but the guy has some pretty insightful knowledge when it comes to capitalism and current global events.

I don't claim to be the know-all of everything, but some of you would do well to expend your knowledge of things.
You criticise me for adding links too often ttbn, but many I add are great brain food.

Dialogue Works is also a great channel.
http://www.youtube.com/@dialogueworks01

"How does it (the visit) benefit Australia? It enhances our belief in democracy."
- It also enhances our belief in stupidity, and 'I have a war on stupid', so there's that.

"It shows China that we are not going to be a vassal state of their Communist dictatorship, that treats its own citizens and minorities like rubbish. We are siding with a fellow democratic country."

Like America? that give us endless wars, global overthrows, LGBTQ+ (isn't the plus for beastiality) the wholesale selloff of Australian public assets into private hands, overpriced US weapons and our kids signed up to fight US wars on their behalf like the goddamn Ukrainians, Muslim kids threatening to behead Aussie school teachers and Albo Dutton and the fecken eKaren, all for a so-called 'lucky country' that your kids and grandkids can hadly even afford to purchase a home in.

- Your 'democracy' is looking more like a failed shite-show these days, no offense.

We'd better figure out what's wrong real quick.

I'll take a hard-pass on 'Randy Rainbow'.

Why is it that that homosexuals have to advertise their seedy perverted sides to everyone?
Just the name itself implies he wants everyone to know his anus is 'open for business'.

Ewww.
Not interested your perversions, keep them to yourself pal.
- And stay away from the bloody kids.

Dear Critic,

«My question is why are you so determined to do something that goes against our best interests?
What is it exactly that we have to gain?»

Why do your words remind me of the serpent in the Garden of Eden, talking to Eve...

Does one only act because of "interests" and "gain"?

How about just doing the right thing for itself?

How about some compassion for the good people of Taiwan who are at threat of falling into the terrible jaws of communist China?

What if instead it was you and your family who would be faced a similar threat?

"Why do your words remind me of the serpent in the Garden of Eden, talking to Eve..."

Well that's interesting.
Firstly I'm going to assume that your opposition to settlers and messianic beliefs (which I champion) means that you have no affiliation to serpent worship or Leviathon love...

And with that in mind...
I'd point out that I'm not trying to convince anyone to eat any forbidden fruit, it's a bad analogy.
If anything it's you that wants to force me (your fellow countryman) to eat it.

"Does one only act because of 'interests' and 'gain'?
How about just doing the right thing for itself?"

What is the right thing?

Let's say Tasmania decided to break away from Australia.
(And you could say that's a bad analagy too because Taiwan was never ruled over by the CCP, but you could probably also say Taiwan was never a sovereign democratic nation prior to the Chinese civil car either)
But lets say that happened Tasmania broke away from Australia and China was providing support to the Tasmanian separatists...
Wouldn't we as Australians, kindly and respectfully ask the Chinese to please stay out of our internal affairs?
That we hope to make peace with the Tasmanian separatists.
What good does it do our nation to piss off our largest trading partner?

I'm not against the Taiwanese people.
But they have to decide what's best for them on their own.
Not what's best for them on the basis we'll send our kids to die for their cause.

Dear Critic,

«Let's say Tasmania decided to break away from Australia.»

And you may already be aware that I would support it: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=22981#395426

«But lets say that happened Tasmania broke away from Australia and China was providing support to the Tasmanian separatists...»

No need for separatists - I should hope that we all remain good friends, Tasmania and the mainland, even still connected by NATO-like and Euro-like alliances.

Then what would, do you propose, the Chinese be supporting them with?

«What good does it do our nation to piss off our largest trading partner?»

We should just do what is right, not in order to piss off anyone.
If China chooses to get pissed off as a result, then that's up to them. They are getting pissed off anyway, even with smaller things.

BTW, the fact that we still trade with China is a tragedy - we should rather produce all we need ourselves (and what we cannot produce, just do without).

«But they have to decide what's best for them on their own.»

That is like saying that the Jews have to decide on their own whether they want to go to Auschwitz.

What free-born person would ever voluntarily want to subject themselves to an authoritarian communist regime?

The only consideration of the Taiwanese, is not whether they want but whether they CAN afford to remain independent without being invaded and killed - and this is where good people should help them.

«Not what's best for them on the basis we'll send our kids to die for their cause.»

You should know very well that I would never do that.
Conscription is the worst evil in the world.
But if my kids freely volunteer to go and help the Taiwanese people, knowing well that they could be killed in that war, then I would support and appreciate them for it.

"How about some compassion for the good people of Taiwan who are at threat of falling into the terrible jaws of communist China?"
- The good people of Taiwan.. well their leaders actually believe that they have a right to rule all of mainland China.

Communist China.
Fun fact, communist China pulled 1 billion people out of poverty in a single generation.
Meanwhile rates of poverty and homelessness in Australia are on the increase.
- We can't even take care of ourselves Yuyutsu.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReviewOctober202223/AustralianGovernmentDebt
"In Australia, and in countries around the world, government economic support packages in response to the COVID-19 pandemic have led to large increases in government debt."

We have national debts expanding, Australian homeless increasing and meanwhile you have these large multinational companies doing business in our country and avoiding paying their fair share.

Microsoft: Gaming Global Taxes, Winning Government Contracts
http://cictar.org/all-research/microsoft

Why is our nation in so much debt?
The rich elites, corporates and multinationals found a way to not only avoid paying their fair share, capitalise or centralise your profits - but to also socialise their losses onto the general public.
- Think Hervey Norman and Qantas etc during the pandemic.

Dear Critic,

«The good people of Taiwan.. well their leaders actually believe that they have a right to rule all of mainland China.»

And I certainly reject such stupid claims.

China is China, Taiwan is Taiwan.

And the smaller states are - the better.

«Fun fact, communist China pulled 1 billion people out of poverty in a single generation.»

OK, so I rather be poor!

«We can't even take care of ourselves Yuyutsu»

We are just insisting on maintaining the same unearned standard of living, that's why.

«We have national debts expanding, Australian homeless increasing»

That is because Australian governments insist on irrational building standards. They rather have us "safe" and homeless.

People should be able to build their own shacks with their own hands, then gradually add rooms as they get to afford it.

«and meanwhile you have these large multinational companies doing business in our country and avoiding paying their fair share.»

If it was up to me, I would not have recognised them as legal entities.

Hi AC,

Totally agree with your above comment. Its not so much China fears an independent Taiwan, not desirable, but something China can live with, and has lived with for over 70 years. What is clear where this is leading, something China should fear is an American Taiwan. America has built a ring of sycophantic client states which encircles China, stretching from Japan in the north to Australia in the south. With superior nuclear capability on land and sea, combined with an aggressive posture, America is using bully boy tactics to force China's hand.

The same scenario of American encirclement is playing out with Russia, America uses NATO in the west, trying to add Ukraine to Turkiye in the south to contain Russia from all directions. In the Middle East Israel is Americas major tool of enforce, as it seeks to ferment instability in the region, giving it total control of ME oil. America is a very hungry, wealth driven Capitalist state, with a need for total world domination of all wealth and resources.

Dear Paul,

So what you are saying is that the people of Taiwan (and Ukraine for that matter) need to suffer Chinese oppression, only because America also happens to have interests in their region?

"So what you are saying is that the people of Taiwan (and Ukraine for that matter) need to suffer Chinese oppression, only because America also happens to have interests in their region?"

Taiwan and Ukraine - is NOT about Taiwan or Ukraine.
Taiwan and Ukraine are proxies for US wars against China and Russia.
Do you think the United States has helped the people of Ukraine?
Do you want that to happen to the Taiwanese people too?
Maybe you also want Australians to be used as cannon fodder in a war the Americans wish to start, but cannot win.

If you sent the entire US military into Ukraine right now, even with NATO, I'm not convinced Russia would be defeated.
In the US the Russia war hawks fight with the China war hawks over which nation should take priority.
- But they are stupid. Don't they realise Russia and China are now joined at the hip?
Maybe they do, and they think we are too dumb to notice.
These people are ready to throw everyones lives into a meat grinder to stay on top, in a world that no longer wishes to be dictated to by the US and the West.

BRICS nations have more financial clout now than the G7.

This thread is 11 days old. If you are that bored, start a new thread.

Dear Critic,

«Taiwan and Ukraine - is NOT about Taiwan or Ukraine.»

And eating is not about nourishment - eating is about enriching the supermarkets and helping government to raise taxes. Remember this next time you see food and don't fall for that trap - it is not your body that starves and falls when you stop eating but actually corporations and government which collapse when you stop feeding them!

I still care about people and their freedom, man, something you seem to have forgotten during your enthusiastic crusade against America.

«in a world that no longer wishes to be dictated to by the US and the West.»

A fox was walking by the river and saw swarms of fish hurrying and scurrying, so he asked them "why do you hurry and scurry?", so the fish replied: "We are afraid of and run away from the man who throws nets to catch us". "In that case", said the fox, come up from the water and stay with me here, just like your forefathers lived together with my forefathers...".
- The fish responded: "You fool! We already fear even in the place of our living - how more so in the place of our dying!"

Indeed, we don't want to be dictated to by the US - how less so to be dictated by Russia and China!

"And eating is not about nourishment - eating is about enriching the supermarkets and helping government to raise taxes. Remember this next time you see food and don't fall for that trap - it is not your body that starves and falls when you stop eating but actually corporations and government which collapse when you stop feeding them!"

Nice job, that's some food for thought.

"Indeed, we don't want to be dictated to by the US - how less so to be dictated by Russia and China!"
I don't want to be ruled over by any foreign powers.
All of our leaders are shite and the system is shite too.
I want all of our feckless western leaders to stop putting 'international democracy' first, but instead put their own people and their best interests first.

And truthfully, I'm not sure 'democracy' can save us.
(What do you think of that question ttbn - do you actually believe democracy can save us?)
And if that's actually true, then I'm not entirely sure what it means or implies.
Is it 'Democracy' or are we all actually on board the bloody Titanic?

Hi Yuyutsu,
"Then what would, do you propose, the Chinese be supporting them with?"

Lets propose the Chinese were assisting the Tasmanian separatists with support for independence against the wishes of Australia, as well as naval vessels, military support, military defense, access to trade and markets, financial support (funding) and access to other forms of currency and payment systems, and media coverage to argue the separatists point of view.

Dear Critic,

«Lets propose the Chinese were assisting the Tasmanian separatists with support for independence against the wishes of Australia»

Should, hypothetically, Australia be as stupid as to actively oppose the wishes of Tasmania and try to keep it in its fold against its wishes, then it would be no better than China, then it would be behaving exactly the same, and then I could not support it.

But as I see it, should Tasmanians wish to be independent, then the rest of Australia should, and I honestly believe would, welcome them and try instead to forge diplomatic ties along defence and economic treaties with Tasmania.

«I don't want to be ruled over by any foreign powers.»

And I don't want to be ruled over by any human powers, only by God.

(and yes, the power of human majorities, called 'democracy', is no exception)

In other news...
Kim Jong Un Shitbombs South Korea

N Korea sends poo balloons to South
http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/n-korea-sends-poo-balloons-to-south/news-story/4adad9a71376191cbf4f29c6bdfca4b3

"North Korea has sent balloons full of rubbish, toilet paper and suspected animal excrement over the border into South Korea, according to local media reports.

Seoul has slammed Pyongyang for its 'low class' actions.

Residents who came near to the garbage bags said they had a 'distinctive smell', that left little to the imagination.

Photographs showing white balloons bearing garbage bags full of rubbish and what appeared to be excrement were shared widely by South Korean media, after the North warned this weekend it would shower border areas in 'mounds of wastepaper and filth' to punish Seoul."

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http://www.defensemirror.com/news/36902/Kinzhal_Missile_Strike_on_Ukrainian_Logistics_Hub_for_Western_Weapons