Thanks Foxy,

Yes, I think the discussion is pretty much exhausted. I don't think we agree on much at all, but if we come out of it without thinking one another monsters I believe that we have both done very well.

Thanks Paul,

I appreciate you taking the time to share your views. It is an incredibly sad and depressing conflict.

"Just as a side; What do you believe should be the final outcome for the 2 million Palestinians living in Gaza?"

They all need to stop hating, Paul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svIa02N6JUo

Cheers

Thanks Fester,

I don't think you're a monster. I think you're a
decent, rational, human being. And, I think we
have indeed done well.

Take care.

Hi Fester,

I don't believe all Arabs hate all Jews, no more than I believe all Jews hate all Arabs. What has been lacking for decades is any kind of empathy from one towards the other. I understand that after the horrors of WWII many Jews hoped for a new beginning, a new life, in a land of their own, in what is now Israel. They arrived as settlers to start that new life, but there was little consideration given to the Palestinians who occupied the land, and had done so for centuries. A chain of hostile events has led to today's catastrophe where radicals on both sides have ceased control, escalated the situation, and the result is self evident.
I asked; What do you believe should be the final outcome for the 2 million Palestinians living in Gaza?

You answered; "They all need to stop hating"

Do you see the Palestinians living in a homeland of their own, coexisting peacefully alongside the state of Israel. Or will the violence and bloodshed continue ad infinitum.

Hi Yuyutsu,

"If these claims are correct, then that means that the IDF is undisciplined and acts against the official orders of its commanders."

Not so, The Wehrmacht (German army) actively participated in the mass extermination process during WWII, particularly in Russia, whilst conducting a well planned and disciplined war. That was all done without any official orders from Berlin. BTW the Nazis never had an official state policy of extermination of Jews and others. In fact underlings carefully avoided the subject with Hitler. Historians to this day, still ponder the question, how did it happen? I couldn't be official policy, as the Nazis wanted it covered up. Auschwitz was not a death camp, officially it was a work camp, but it contained all the apparatus necessary to conduct mass extermination.

Dear Paul,

«That was all done without any official orders from Berlin.»

Unlike the Wehrmacht, the IDF HAS official orders in the matter:
IDF chief of staff, Herzi Halevy, made it most clear that revenge as such is unacceptable, nor the harming of civilians if it can be avoided without a risk to soldiers or hostages.

I am not aware of any deliberate killing of civilians by the IDF, not that it means that no individual soldier ever done so. What I have read about, disgusting in itself, is that certain soldiers decided on their own to torch a vacant Gazan house (beyond the operational necessities) "in memorial" for such-and-such fallen comrade.

Those who did so acted against their orders and should be brought to justice.

Hi Paul,

They all need to stop hating as in all Palestinians and Israelis who hate one another. That might be a little hard for the Palestinians believing it their religious duty to exterminate the Jews, so there is a role to play by Islamic leaders and scholars to challenge such beliefs and call for tolerance and acceptance. That might be a long way off if UNWRA continues to teach Palestinian children hatred as this video claims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M06S7R6vfVs

The Palestinian elites also heavily push and ideology of hatred and genocide, as this report demonstrates:

https://palwatch.org/STORAGE/special%20reports/Kill_A_Jew.pdf