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Haredi Jews and other Isrealis forced into the military. Yes or no?

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Dear Ttbn,

Elections in Israel are likely to be held in January 2025.
The present war should be over by then.

Of course there will be another war there and another and another, of course new Islamic terrorists will rise again whether or not Hamas is completely defeated in Gaza in this round, but when Israel is united and strong from within, when Israelis are convinced that they are on the side of good, nobody can defeat them.

The biggest danger that Israel is facing is from within. Among the reasons that shatter Israel from within are 1967's occupation, Netanyahu's corruption, his subsequent alliance with Israel's Nazi party, his party's attempt to destroy Israel's democracy by undermining and emptying out the authority of Israel's high court and the extreme antagonism between secular and orthodox Jews.

Israelis need more than just the means to survive, which they more or less have - people also need a good motive to survive for.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 8:13:03 AM
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"Are their objections valid or should they be made take part in military action as part of a bigger picture and ridding the area of Hamas?"

Their objections may be valid.

Its up to the Israeli people to decide who governs them, and makes their laws.

What they do is nobody elses business unless they as a state start externally harming others.

Then 'others' have evry right to have an opinion or to try to prevent harm.

If the harm is internal to its own people, then what would you suggest?

Maybe they are in the 49% which in a democracy means their feelings and opinions dont matter and they should just shut up?

Why should the consciencious objectors get out of it?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 5 April 2024 7:29:54 PM
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Dear Critic,

I am in pains when Israel does wrong things.

I am in great pains when conscientious objectors in Israel are thrown in jail.

I would like to see Israel reform and fix those things that need to be repaired in its behaviour, so it becomes a respectable and fully worthy member of the international community.

But you do not seem to care.

Is this because you rather see Israel disappear altogether from the map than for it to become a good and decent world citizen?

Now suppose even that Israel finds an alternate spot on this globe to move into, somewhere where it does not interfere with a Muslim region, would that be acceptable to you, or would you rather have all Israelis become homeless refugees and/or find eternal rest on the bed of the Mediterranean sea?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 6 April 2024 9:57:08 PM
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I don't know why any of you think that Israel, its government or its people give a damn about what you think.

One of the things I admire about Israel is that it doesn't give a damn about international pressure or opinions or the corrupt and absurdly useless United Nations. You are really up yourselves.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 6 April 2024 10:44:46 PM
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'Now suppose even that Israel finds an alternate spot on this globe to move into'

Yep!
Bring them all to Australia, we've got the the space and plenty of desert to convert.
Posted by Special Delivery, Sunday, 7 April 2024 9:14:33 AM
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