"Joe Biden's top individual donor is the same top donor to Barack Obama and to Bill Clinton. His name is Heim Saban. He's a Hollywood billionaire mogul who sells trash film to the third world that can't get licensed in the U.S. His big fortune was Mighty Morhin Power Rangers, he produces nothing of value and says he's a one-issue guy and that issue is Israel. He helped set up a parallel lobby to AIPAC which is even more extreme to AIPAC called the Israel Action Committee IAC and his partner for setting that up was the top donor to Trump who funded Benjamin Netanyahu's entire career, Sheldon Adelson, who's late wife now continues his fortune, she just did an odd event with RFK Jr;
- But these people are running the show. Biden is accountable to donors like that or to Seth Klarman who owns Times of Israel, and he is also a single issue guy and that issue is Israel."

http://www.youtube.com/live/H4yKz66vOtw?t=1132

Conscription should not even be a word in our Dictionary. Either people have the mentality to be part of society or they have not. If they need to be forced to defend themselves & those who provide for them instead of offering to do so then I'd say the sooner they're put under the yoke of those who come for them the better for all of us.

Indy,

Tell the truth, you have not the foggiest notion as how this National Service for young people would work. You can't even give the vaguest of insights, its a "thought bubble" without any concept. Reading your posts over the years its obvious you have a set against young people, among others, and the motive behind your idea is as a form of punishment, for not meeting YOUR expectations.

I have an 18 year old granddaughter, will she be forced into YOUR National Service? What will YOU have her doing? Who will be supervising, YOU? Where will this all take place? Will there be payment, and how much? You have no idea!

Dear Indyvidual,

Still going round and round:

«Are you seriously expecting it possible to detail the ins/outs of such a scheme in 350 word comments?»

How many words does it take to answer 'Yes' or 'No' to my simple question?

Paul just asked you the same question:
"I have an 18 year old granddaughter, will she be forced into YOUR National Service?"

What is your answer?

«How is a Gap year service "snatching" people out of Uni?»

Some people start university before they turn 18, especially the bright ones and those who received good discipline at home.
Some start a family earlier too.
Some join a monastery earlier.
Some start working earlier.
Some start a business earlier.
Some start caring for their elderly parents or grandparents earlier.

«Who proposed a "harsh military discipline for longer than the NS of twelve months"?»

It is not a proposal - I have actually been there, done that, yet even so you do not consider me sufficiently "disciplined" to your taste, simply because my discipline and values are different to yours and even there with all their efforts, they could make me suffer tremendously but nobody was able to destroy my good values and instead indoctrinate me with your foul dogmas.

«People like you will never get it no matter what because you simply haven't got the mentality!»

Indeed, I do not have you sick mentality.

«A NMNS would most definitely help you become a proper Australian.»

To HELP another means to make it easier for them to get somewhere they want to get, not somewhere they have no wish to go.

I definitely have no interest in becoming what you call a "proper Australian": I certainly won't drink your beer or have anything to do with your stupid sports. Your snobbish idea as if you, just because you happen to be of British/Christian ancestry and adhere to that empty culture, are somehow better and have any more entitlement to live in this continent than others, is disgusting and has no appeal to me whatsoever.

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«If they need to be forced to defend themselves & those who provide for them instead of offering to do so then I'd say the sooner they're put under the yoke of those who come for them the better for all of us.»

Nobody asked you to defend or provide for anyone - just get out of the way and stop bullying others!

It looks like "the yoke of those who come" is relatively lighter than your proposed yoke:

I have always spoken here against China and its cruelties, but if the fascist kind of life you offer us here is no better than how communist China treats its citizens, if conscription here is no better than conscription there, then I may just as well live under Chinese occupation than under yours.

«Perhaps we could have a system in which objectors to common discipline sign a waiver»

Decent people have no objection to discipline and are likely to be already far more disciplined than yourself.

- They only object to your cruelty and indoctrination.

«to forfeit the benefits which are provided by those who do care for this Nation not just use it.»

You do not even need a waiver for that because you are not obliged to provide benefits to anyone in the first place - just get out of the way with your stupid "Nation" thing!

Thanks Yuyutsu,

My granddaughter 18 is doing a collage course which she started in high school. She hopes to go to America in 2 years time to work and study. She now works part time in a restaurant to make ends meet, run her little old car, pay some board, save etc. AND THIS BLOKE WANTS TO STICK HER IN SOME BOOT CAMP!

p/s Another granddaughter is about to head off with a group of girls and boys to do a 3 months tour through South East Asia.