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Can Donald Trump still run for US President?
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Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 10:27:37 AM
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mhaze,
Opinions do not affect facts. But facts should affect opinions and do, if you are rational. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 10:39:06 AM
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post-truth maze,
What on earth are you talking about? The were 5 full days of evidence given at the District Court and "The court issued its written final order on November 17, finding, by clear and convincing evidence, that the events of January 6 constituted an insurrection and President Trump engaged in that insurrection." As to the preponderance of the evidence: "As noted above, the district court held that the Electors proved their challenge by clear and convincing evidence. And because President Trump chose not to brief this issue, he has abandoned it." Trump and his lawyers didn't try an convince the court that an insurrection didn't happen, nor that his speech didn't constitute his involvement, but rather that the speech was protected under the First Amendment and therefore couldn't be used against him. The court did look at what the framers of the Constitution intended and found the language used to be largely unambiguous. Trump tried to assert: "that Section Three does not bar him from running for or being elected to office because Section Three bars individuals only from holding office." That was rejected because it would mean throwing out the stipulated age minimum and the residency requirement. Really your argument has to be with his legal team. Reading between the lines of the judgement comments such as "Lawyers who practice in this area are well-aware of this." indicate the judges were not enthralled with the quality of Trump's representatives. Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 11:15:28 AM
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This has been litigated in multiple jurisdictions. This alone found that there was reason to rule Trump off the ballot.
Little wonder that that's the one you want to talk about. They claim they looked at all the evidence but in fact there were no witnesses, no video of the alleged offence, no attempts to explain why Trump wasn't charged with insurrection etc etc. Just a left leaning court trying to subvert democracy. The TDS crowd really are terrified of Trump and those who support him to the extent that they are happy to overthrow democracy to maintain their grip on power. I suspect that if a Republican state ruled Biden out because if the 25th Amendment, you and your ilk would be dancing to a different tune. Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 12:12:19 PM
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It's a waste of time fussing over Trump when we are stuck with a moron like Albanese, who had better look out if Trump is the next President. It could mean goodbye AUKUS and lot of the the benefits we get as an ally of the US. Trump likes allies to pull their weight, which Albanese Australia certainly does not do.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 12:46:38 PM
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post-truth mhaze,
Why are you like this now? I gave you a link to the judgement and even gave the quote which detailed how Trump's team chose not to counter the fact that "the events of January 6 constituted an insurrection and President Trump engaged in that insurrection." Yet you are still banging on about: "They claim they looked at all the evidence but in fact there were no witnesses, no video of the alleged offence, no attempts to explain why Trump wasn't charged with insurrection etc etc." There is plenty of video of both the insurrection and Trump's speech. Why claim otherwise. Now you are claiming: "Just a left leaning court trying to subvert democracy." Not so. This is from a New York Times article: "The decision on Trump on Tuesday was not the first time the court has removed a political candidate from the ballot. In 2020, it ruled that a Democratic U.S. Senate candidate, Michelle Ferrigno Warren, could not appear on the primary ballot because she had not collected enough signatures from voters. A lower court had been more lenient, citing the Covid-19 pandemic, but the state’s highest court disagreed." http://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/20/us/colorado-supreme-court-barred-trump.html Hardly an indication of partisanship. And this from you couldn't be more apt: "happy to overthrow democracy to maintain their grip on power" That is exactly what Trump and his supporters attempted on January 7th, they are now being held to account as they should in any rules based democracy. Your Trump Derangement Syndrome has you accepting behaviour you would have condemned once upon a time. Time to start crawling back out of that rabbit hole before it is too late. Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 4 January 2024 10:24:11 AM
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The inane ad Hominem is more your style.