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Can Donald Trump still run for US President?
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Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 1:16:13 PM
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Trump has been indicted on 4 felony counts that
accuse him of working to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in the run up to the violent riots at the US capitol. The charges include conspiracy to defraud the US government and witness tampering. The 4 court indictments by the Justice Department reveals details that are available on the web. He has been indicted for trying to block the peaceful transfer of power. Our opinions are our opinions. Our perceptions are our perceptions. However we should not confuse them with facts or truths. Opinions don't affect facts. But facts should affect opinions and do, if one is rational. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 2:18:26 PM
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Foxy,
I know that mere details are beyond your comprehension and that you adopt the view that what you want to be true is indeed true. But.... Colorado and Maine have blocked Trump based on the 14th Amendment that bars anyone engaged in "insurrection or rebellion" from holding federal office. Trump has not been convicted of "insurrection or rebellion". Trump hasn't been charged with "insurrection or rebellion". I can't explain it more simply for you and yet I know it will still elude you. Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 2:28:19 PM
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mhaze,
I keep giving you facts. You keep denying them. That is your problem, not mine. Go find someone else to play with. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 3:29:48 PM
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post-truth mhaze,
You really do try it on don't you. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment reads as follows: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability." It says nothing about having to have been convicted. Indeed it was directed at Confederate officers who were for the most part not tried but kept from elected office due to the Amendment. Further States have a degree of autonomy which they are exercising just as they did in regard to the birth-right conspiracy around Obama. He would not be allowed on the ballot of a number of States now given their introduction of laws not to accept reproductions of birth certificates. Certificates mind you that are perfectly eligible with the Federal government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_eligibility_legislation How about you may the effort to research this stuff before accusing others of not understanding what is involved. Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 4:03:14 PM
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SR, Did Trump engage in rebellion or insurrection against the Constitution of USA? Does a running candidate have the right to challenge the results of an Election? Not according to Democrats, but that right is within a democracy.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 7:26:45 AM
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But none of them are for "refus[ing] to engage in a peaceful transfer of power" which was original claim. I'd explain it to you but well.....
"they ruled he engaged in an insurrection with his actions in the days leading to the US Capitol riot on 6th Jan. 2021."
They ruled without trial. Which the brown shirts of the left are totally OK with. But, and this is going to go over your head, that's not how democracy or even natural justice works.
Re Pell..."Those are the undeniable facts."
Not only are they deniable...they aren't even facts,