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Can Donald Trump still run for US President?
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Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 6 January 2024 5:01:57 PM
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Trump is accused insurrection. The speech that day does not support it.
I heard that speech that Trump gave on the day involved/ I think I heard it live or very soon after it was given. At the end of the speech he said We will walk down to the Capital and make sure they hear us and we will walk down there peaceably. That is from memory, but I am certain that the last word was "Peaceably", When I heard the speech repeated later that day and since bulletins that last word was missing. I am certain about this as it was a very noticeable omission. Over the time since I have heard cuts of that speech and that word is never heard. I suspect it was chopped off by the news media in the US, By removing that word it changes the tenor of the speech significantly. It makes a nonsense of the accusations that have been made since. Posted by Bezza, Saturday, 6 January 2024 10:45:58 PM
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Kudos Bezza.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 7 January 2024 1:55:03 AM
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Dear Bezza, . You wrote : « I heard that speech that Trump gave on the day [January 6, 2021] … At the end of the speech, he said We will walk down to the Capital and make sure they hear us and we will walk down there peaceably. That is from memory, but I am certain that the last word was "Peaceably" … » . You may be right, Bezza, but I’m afraid with all the trafficking and fake news that goes on these days, we have no way of knowing which version is authentic and which one is not. The problem with people like Trump (who are notorious pathological liars) is that you can’t believe a word of what they say. Trump spoke for more than an hour that day and spent most of that time citing various counties and states where he claimed the Democrats had committed electoral fraud. He rattled off loads and loads of statistics by heart without the blink of an eye for dozens of counties and states to prove his point. The problem is Trump and his team of lawyers subsequently filed and lost 62 lawsuits contesting election processes, vote counting, and the vote certification process in 9 states (including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) and the District of Columbia. Among the judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by Trump himself. Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped due to lack of evidence. Judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as "frivolous" and "without merit". Never mind, whether he pronounced the word “peaceably” or not is of no importance. The US Supreme Court will declare him eligible for election in time for him to be registered as the candidate of the Republican Party and we’ll just have to wait and see if he can do any better this time than he did last time. Judging by his track record so far, I very much doubt it. . Posted by Banjo Paterson, Sunday, 7 January 2024 9:00:56 AM
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Lets look at Trump's behaviour.
It included his refusal to accept Joe Biden's victory. He consistently peddled his "stolen election" fantasy. He applied pressure on state and federal officials including Vice President Pence, to embrace his "stolen election" fantasy. The speech he delivered to his supporters before the riot was incendiary - "fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore." Then his failure to intervene after thousands of his supporters invaded the Capitol building interrupting the congressional ratification of the election results - all of that is more than enough to conclude that Trump did violate his oath to - "faithfully execute" his office and to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution." It's now up to the Supreme Court to decide what needs to be done. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 7 January 2024 9:30:22 AM
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Dear Bezza,
What on earth are you talking about? A simple google search for the transcript has it being displayed by numerous news organisations. Here is part of the NPR one. "Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections. But whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time." http://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial There is no great conspiracy. Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 7 January 2024 11:27:19 AM
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decided to hear Colorado's case over Trump's 2024
ballot eligibility. This could have serious
ramifications for the 2024 presidential election.
We're told that arguments will be held Feb.8th and
a decision should come quickly.
Stay tuned.