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For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.
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Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 18 December 2023 6:18:39 PM
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A new survey of the co-called Palestinians found that 72% supported the 7/10 barbarism.
Explain to me again how they are innocent bystanders to the war. It also found only 35% support a two-state solution. Explain to me again how creating two states will resolve the issue. http://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2090%20English%20press%20release%2013%20Dec%202023%20Final%20New.pdf Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 6:52:15 AM
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Good Morning Yuyutsu,
At this stage it is hard to expect either party to think beyond survival and this is further complicated by the Israeli government's continued onslaught on Gaza. To date there's no clear endpoint for this war. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 9:00:49 AM
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Hi Yuyutsu,
"While I don't care for the Israeli ideology, certainly not for its government's Jewish-based Messianic lunacy, if what it takes for my family to exist is the killing of all Gazan human shields, in their millions if there is no other way, then so be it. Israel could be wrong here, Israel could be wrong there, but my family has no other Israel to defend it!" I don't begrudge you in any way for the love you have for your family. I hope they are safe and remain so. I hope you don't begrudge me for my criticisms. If I was to support the needless killing of non-combatants; If I was to stay silent and give this human tragedy my silent consent, Then I'd be supporting crimes against humanity and wrongdoing. - And so, I speak against it, I hope you understand. Some people wish to sway my opinion by reminding me of Islamic extremism. To them I say I don't particularly like Muslims in Australia or the multicultural agenda, but for me this is an issue of humanity, not a battle of religions. If they don't like the Muslims in Australia, (I didn't let them in, and no-one asked me if it was ok) they can start by supporting the right of return for Palestinians, and at least some would go home. Keep them here and they will keep breeding... If you want them gone, do something to that ends. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 9:43:56 AM
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"A new survey of the co-called Palestinians found that 72% supported the 7/10 barbarism.
Explain to me again how they are innocent bystanders to the war." Grow up. The Jews of Aushwitz certainly didn't have any sympathy for German non-combatants when their cities were bombed into rubble, and why would they? You may as well ask why are the prison inmates celebrating the prison riot and the prison officers who got beaten up? Supporting it doesn't make one a perpetrator of it. And the Palestinians have a UN recognised right to resist occupation. Your attitude is like a NAZI in France complaining about the French resistance. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 9:53:00 AM
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'Terrorist' and 'Terrorism' (in the context of the middle east) are words to denote people who don't support the US invading and occupying their countries and dictating to their governments, or installing western puppet rulers.
Often, these people are actually resistance against an imposing West, as much as they are actual terrorists. The US needs to stay out of the internal affairs of other countries. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 9:59:27 AM
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«We all wish that there could be Peace...»
Yes, Israel should stop its occupation, for its own good, but never expect peace in return:
Speaking of the Middle-East without wars is like speaking of Australia without fires and floods.
Nevertheless, I can still hope for a longer cease-fire lasting even some 10-20 years, that is a realistic goal.
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Dear Critic,
«I'm not entirely sure Israel does have any right to exist.»
For me that question is irrelevant - my family has every right to exist, and like it or not, they cannot exist without a strong Israel.
While I don't care for the Israeli ideology, certainly not for its government's Jewish-based Messianic lunacy, if what it takes for my family to exist is the killing of all Gazan human shields, in their millions if there is no other way, then so be it.
Israel could be wrong here, Israel could be wrong there, but my family has no other Israel to defend it!
Call them "guilty" as much as you like, but they better be guilty and alive then justified and dead, raped, tortured and kidnapped.
Those Gazans and other "Palestinians" which are either already dead or about to die in the coming weeks and months, should have thought of it earlier when they supported the indiscriminate terrorising and murder of ALL Israelis, the good and the bad alike, including the peace-loving Israelis who tried to help them - I may not blame them for fighting against oppression, but I do blame them for decimating the Israeli peace camp and leaving Israel, my family too, in the dirty hands of Netanyahu and his Nazi friends.
«I'm starting to think the world might be better off without Israel.
Jews can live in peace as citizens of Palestine.»
First, what has religion to do with this? Please leave the "Jews" thing aside.
Well, but that's only a dream: should Israel be defeated, then any Israeli should consider themselves extremely lucky if they only end up as a refugee. Yes, even if they attempt to escape by converting to Islam.