"Lets assume the rocket attack happened as claimed."

Yes let's do that even though the pro-Hamas cheer-squad spent weeks denying it.

"It still doesn't change the fact that Israel has targeted 24 health facilities a total of 187 times."

Oh, now that we've been shown to be wrong, let's change the subject.

"Rape can have an absolutely horrendous impact on a woman."

Yep, especially if, after being raped by 4 or five blokes, they put a bullet in her head, while still raping her.

Hi Yuyutsu,
"I saw this on Israeli news, in Hebrew, a day or two after."

Should this be taken with the same spoon of salt that the claim of 40 beheaded babies should be taken?
- Or is it actually credible?

They could show us these notes you mention, but even they could be faked.

Hi mhaze,
"Oh, now that we've been shown to be wrong, let's change the subject."

Geez you act like a little child sometimes...

You've got this claim that Hamas beheaded 40 babies which there doesn't seem to any evidence with which to substantiate the claim.
And we have Israel bombing every single Hospital in Gaza numerous times anyway, (something they have shown form for - bombing hospitals and it also seems - lying) and here you are playing 'gotcha' over one particular hospital attack event, which even as you yourself state by the claims on your side was a 'misfired rocket' meaning the event was not a deliberate act by either side.

What do you want to do, spend all day celebrating that Human Rights Watch indicates significant doubt that Israel was responsible for that one particular hospital attack?
- When even they state in their article that a more fuller independent investigation on the matter needs to take place?

"Yep, especially if, after being raped by 4 or five blokes, they put a bullet in her head, while still raping her."
- Anyone that does that IS an animal, are you happy?

But do we even know whether or not it was Hamas if this actually happened?
Or was it the other group 'Islamic Resistance';
Or was it 'enraged random radicalised Gazan opportunists'

But in any case, it still doesn't give the things that Israel has been doing to enrage the Palestinians a free pass, and it still isn't going to put an end to the conflict, in the bigger scheme of things.

I watched the video of what the IDF soldier said they do.
- Admissions of terror and executions.
So did Paul, did you?

"You've got this claim that Hamas beheaded 40 babies ...."

I never made that claim, which I've had to point out to you several times.

Unlike you I'm cognoscente of the fog of war and don't fall for propagandistic claims. Unless they are verified by multiple sources they are mere assertions.

Still, nice try to change the subject, being that the Shifa Hospital missile attack story is an extremely good example of how the pro-Hamas cheer-squad will fall for anything Hamas claims.

By all means let us continue to point out the
atrocities committed. It's a way of resolving this
conflict for the sake of the future. Our suffering is
bigger than yours - Right? We're the good guys?
Israel is at the end of the day - a benign democratic
state, seeking peace with its neighbours and guaranteeing
equality to all of its citizens.

The constant manipulation of the relevant facts works
against the interests of all those victimized by the
ongoing bloodshed and violence.

Colonized people even under the United Nations Charter
have the right to struggle for their liberation, even
with an army, and the successful ending to such a
struggle lies in the creation of a democratic state
that includes all of its inhabitants.

Unless we're in pixiland , deluded, (meshugana) -
This does not seem possible at the moment. We of course
hope and prayer for the tide to turn - and a miracle
to happen.

Dear Critic,

«Should this be taken with the same spoon of salt that the claim of 40 beheaded babies should be taken?
- Or is it actually credible?»

But Israeli official media never reported of 40 beheaded babies - that was reported on British media by a young over-zealous reporter, Nicole Zedeck, and Israeli mainstream media only reported that "Foreign media reported about 40 beheaded babies, but that could not be verified".

So far I haven't caught Israeli mainstream media lying - have you?

«But do we even know whether or not it was Hamas if this actually happened?»

I believe Israeli media when they showed that page which contained the official Hamas orders in Arabic.
I believe that these were the orders - to chop off legs and to rape corpses, the orders did not speak of raping live women.

OTOH, I am not in a position to tell to what degree these orders were actually followed, as I suspect that even hardened fighters would find it too revolting to fÜck a dead corpse. We heard of (but I'm unsure where from) at least one case of a woman being penetrated first, then only her breast was cut off and then she was shot in the head while still penetrated.

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Dear Paul,

«One thing I have seen is the healthy state of the Israeli captives released by Hamas»

An 84-year-old woman just released is now in ICU, with doctors struggling to save her life.
She had chronic health conditions, including heart and thyroid problems, but medications stabilised her conditions, allowing her to live independently, help others and sculpt. She was not allowed to receive them.
When released, she had several wounds, her pulse-rate was 40 and her body temperature 28C°.

The hostages had little to eat, some days nothing and had only rice in their final 2 weeks.
They had no shower in 50 days and remained in the same cloths they were kidnapped in.
They slept on hard benches.
They were kept in tunnels with low oxygen levels.

Me quote >>You've got this claim that Hamas beheaded 40 babies<<

You "I never made that claim, which I've had to point out to you several times."

Omg you nitpick...

When I said 'You've' I didn't specifically mean YOU.
[shakes head and rolls eyes] my mistake.
I said it in the way that sometimes people do when talking;
I could've said:'WE'VE got this claim'
or perhaps the correct way of saying it would've been
'They've made this claim'

This is a claim from your side of the fence, and it shows that claims made by Israel are questionable at best...

"Still, nice try to change the subject, being that the Shifa Hospital missile attack story is an extremely good example of how the pro-Hamas cheer-squad will fall for anything Hamas claims."

You're like a little kid.
[Whiny voice like Albo]
Please, please... please just let me win one argument... just one...
Pleeeeaaase... Waaahhhh [FFS grow up]

There were good reasons to question it when Israel has likely lied about 40 beheaded babies and bombed every hospital in Gaza,
what on earth is wrong with you?

I don't support Hamas idiot, I'm not religious.
I support diplomacy, dialogue, negotiations and compromise over conflict.
Get that through your bloody head.

And as Foxy just pointed out...

"Colonized people even under the United Nations Charter
have the right to struggle for their liberation, even
with an army"

I ACCEPT the right to resist occupation,
(That means if a 10 year old kid Palestinian want to throw a bloody rock at tank he's entitled to, (any other nation except Israel the western world would cheer)

and if Israel doesn't like it they should enter negotiations settle the issue of border once and for all and feck back off to their own territory and stay out of other peoples business, not cart the poor kid off across the border (like Putins charged with by the ICC) and put him in indefinite administrative detention without charge.

And I've stated I don't support the killing of civilians / non combatants.