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The Forum > General Discussion > For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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Dear Yuyutsu,

I do get where you are coming from but with respect, I think you perhaps ask too much.

There are number of Arab states but the there is only a single, self declared, Jewish State.

That for most of the world the State of Israel being synonymous with the Jewish people in the minds of so many is hardly surprising nor that inaccurate.

Though the edit of the US letter recognising the State of Israel was a little telling I suspect there would be no doubt in the minds of the current political classes there now.

http://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/press-release-announcing-us-recognition-of-israel#:~:text=At%20midnight%20on%20May%2014,on%20January%2031%2C%201949)

Is your view of Israel that it is a Jewish state? If so then your request is perhaps a little cheeky.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 23 November 2023 9:47:38 AM
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'Though the edit of the US letter recognising the State of Israel was a little telling'
What it didn't tell you was that Israel became a nuclear state as a consequence of the US, UK and France agreeing that nuclear armament would be stored there under the pretext of avoiding another Holocaust.
Israel did not construct or develop nuclear armament through any developmental program but was simply a parking station for US nuclear weaponry.
The main reason for the US, UK and France to protect Israel through perceived solidarity is because of Diomona.

They couldn't give a flying 'f' about the Jews or Arabs in the region.
The US, UK and France created the very threat and possibility of a potential Nuclear holocaust and then had the audacity to refuse Iran it's own development when it was Iranian money that France used to develop it's own program.
This is democracy at work, what an effing joke!
Posted by Special Delivery, Thursday, 23 November 2023 11:46:07 AM
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"Special" delivery,

That's a wild claim. Do you have any proof?
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 23 November 2023 1:42:48 PM
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Thank you Foxy,

I think we have an understanding here.

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Dear SteeleRedux,

It is tragic that Israel was branded a Jewish state because that was not the intent of its founders, the first Zionists, who built that country in order to escape their Jewish fate and sought to create a Hebrew state instead, together with its local Arabs and anyone else of goodwill.

When formally declaring Israel as a Jewish state, Ben Gurion was forced to compromise and bend over because the world at the time, following the holocaust, felt guilty and wanted to solve the Jewish problem, not his, disregarding the reality of the state-in-formation which was already developing and close to fruition in Israel, with or without the UN.

I think that Ben Gurion showed weakness when he cut corners, saying, "Oh well, this stupid UN likes to call our state this or that, what's in a name anyway?".

Referring to Israel as "Jewish" supports and reinforces the false claims of both the Rabbis' and Hitler's as if "once a Jew - always a Jew".

A Jewish state might have been required had there been any truth in that superstition of "once a Jew - always a Jew", which some in 1948 still believed in, but advancements in archaeology and other objective research have exposed the falsity and forgery of most Jewish legends, including the tales of the Old Testament, showing clearly how historically there never was anything solid called "the Jewish people", how vague that concept was to begin with and how people lightly drifted in and out that cloud over the centuries.

By supporting that view of a solid Jewish entity, you encourage Netanyahu and his gang who use Judaism and its presumed "solidity" as a pretext for their criminal behaviours, while weakening his opposition of moderate and rational Israelis who want peace and normality. I can understand why it is in the twisted interest of Muslim extremists like Hamas to support that view and perpetuate the war situation to their advantage, but I cannot see what possible interest have you in perpetuating that lie?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 23 November 2023 2:36:34 PM
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'That's a wild claim. Do you have any proof'

It's common knowledge that the then Shah of Iran contributed money to France for a share of it's Nuclear research and when the time came to share the research France reneged.

The Dimona nuclear reactor is used to produce plutonium used in atomic bombs. The reactor was purchased from France as part of a secret agreement related to the Suez War, in which the I.D.F. in collaboration with France and England conquered the Sinai Peninsula. Construction of the reactor started late 1957 or early 1958 and was completed in 1962. It began operation (became critical) in 1963.

The reactor is one fueled by natural uranium and deuterium. The French (via the Alsace Corporation) delivered a reactor with a capacity of 24-26 megawatts, which was secretly increased by Israel, first to 70 megawatts and later to 150 megawatts.

Israel tried to argue that the reactor was used for all sorts of civilian and peaceful purposes, certainly not for the production of nuclear weapons. These were all lies; even water desalination and the cultivation of the Negev were used as arguments in order to conceal the true nature of the reactor.

And now we have Iran claiming legitimate purpose to which the Israelis having lied themselves want to claim Iran is deceiving the west.

You asked, you just got told
Try pulling your head out of the sand occasionally
Posted by Special Delivery, Thursday, 23 November 2023 3:21:43 PM
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France and England have been running backwards and forwards to Israel during the Gaza fiasco so as to cover their backsides should what can be revealed is revealed to the general public.
If a nuclear explosion goes off in the ME it's down to France and UK
Posted by Special Delivery, Thursday, 23 November 2023 3:26:24 PM
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