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A victory for equality

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The result of the referendum has been an overwhelming 60/40 rejection of the division of Australia by race.

I believe that Labor is not fit for the task. Every time labor has considered a change to the constitution they have taken a good idea and loaded it with tons of activist baggage. That is why it has failed.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 15 October 2023 11:27:24 AM
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We needed a decisive victory to knock this divisive rubbish in the head, and we certainly got it.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 15 October 2023 3:35:11 PM
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I think it desirable that we have a change of government now.
However, I worry about where we could find a replacement.
Whenever I look at Peter, I get the same impression.
He is willing. He is eager. But he is just not smart enough?
What do others think?
Posted by Ipso Fatso, Sunday, 15 October 2023 4:04:47 PM
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The ABC is now reporting the Blak National Parliament intention to fight for treaty. This also is division identifying two Nations making peace, when all aboriginals were given equality with citizenship in 1967. They are part of Australia not another nation within Australia, as much as the activists want it promoted, and supported by the ABC, and SBS, and NITV.
Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 15 October 2023 4:08:21 PM
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Dutton has abilities but unfortunately, he has an image problem & that is what the insipid & parasitic Left is all they have to fight him with !
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 15 October 2023 6:37:28 PM
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What is Dutton’s "image problem"? What is his image? How does his image differ from that of other politicians, who all seem to be much the same to me?
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 16 October 2023 6:31:40 AM
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How does his image differ from that of other politicians,
ttbn,
It isn't & that's what doesn't give the masses the willingness to give him the edge in the sadly but true, popularity stakes.
I think he's probably the most competent & sober thinking of them all however, he needs to turn up the enthusiasm as he comes across rather lacklustre in his speeches. As sad a fact as it is but in politics image/expression is as vital as appealing policies. A bit of light-heartedness & a smile would do wonders !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 16 October 2023 9:51:00 AM
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What is Dutton’s "image problem"? What is his image?

For starters he's the most boring and plain person you could come across, completely lacking of any personality or 'down to earth' qualities whatsoever.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 8:24:14 AM
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Indyvidual and AC

Are you looking for 'charisma'? We've seen where that leads in other parts of the world. We don't do charisma in Australia. Some of the less able with the English language branded Bob Hawke as charismatic, which he was not, fortunately; it was what he did that counted.

The very last thing that concerns me about our politicians is their 'image'. My concern about Dutton is not his appearance, nor his inability to smile; my concern is that he isn't saying anything that makes him a hope for a return to the right of centre, where the Liberal Party is supposed to be. He was too late saying NO. He is leaving underlings to speak against Albanese's totalitarian, anti-free speech Bill. He should be put back where he could be useful - defence shadow, because shadow he is.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 8:58:56 AM
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"my concern is that he isn't saying anything that makes him a hope for a return to the right of centre, where the Liberal Party is supposed to be."

Where do we see him speaking out on any of those issues that might matter to the right.
There's just no personality, no character, nothing that anyone can relate to.
Dutton was completely absent till the voice came along.
If it wasn't for Albo bringing the referendum, he'd still be in hiding.

- He doesn't speak out on anything, just merely responds to things that have already happened.

Albo must be thanking his lucky stars that his adversary is a boring absent fool.
If Dutton had any grit whatsoever Albo wouldn't have had a chance of having such an easy ride.

And quite honestly, right now 'I'm none of the above'.

The biggest issue in my opinion is unrestricted immigration, related housing shortages and cost of living problems.

We need to cut immigration for a while until the housing supply situation improves, do something about the high cost of energy and our nations competitiveness.

Both parties have lost touch with the hopes and dreams of the good old Aussie battlers, we're living on this huge continent and many young people don't believe they will ever afford a home.

The country has lost it's way, dictated to by woke inner city latte sipping citizens and their privileged know-it-all university kids studying gender and becoming 'activists' who have little in common with the rest of the country.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 9:36:16 AM
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Are you looking for 'charisma'?
ttbn,
Some of it is necessary in winning over people who rely on others to think for them. What worries me about Dutton that the Nation will end up with someone less competent if he doesn't make an effort to present himself as a man of the people. He was a police officer so, why not use the experiences to address youth crime etc. He should speak about long-term projects such as the Bradfield scheme & a Gap year national Service for the unemployed, speak on apprenticeships rather than the boring old & useless 'everyone should have the right to UNI. he needs to bring up discussion on economic recovery in Country Australia. Rail links, dams etc.
Real projects that offer careers of use to society rather than the boring bleating about Education. If we want to improve education make the teachers pull out their fingers !
Dutton needs to address the people who create revenue & not the ones depleting it at every turn !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 7:35:28 PM
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Somewhere along the way it became much easier to go to uni and have the government (and the working class citizens) pay for it, leaving a HECS debt; instead of getting an apprenticeship.

No wonder the country went down the toilet.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 7:44:04 PM
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What an insipid, stupid post.

If we had true equality in this country there wouldn't have been a need for a Voice.

The inequality in terms of life outcomes experienced by Indigenous Australians hasn't suddenly evaporated away.

That the majority of Australians have decided they were uncomfortable that a Voice to parliament as a means of tackling the stark disadvantage experienced in a given.

But many more Australians have greater awareness of the deep challenges faced by so many of our Indigenous brothers and sisters and support for action to secure better targeted spending to strive for true equality in this country will continue to grow.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 7:53:05 PM
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More tedious drivel from Stoolreflux,

Noel Pearson, one of The Voice's authors, also runs several Northern Cape organisations whose function is to help the villages in the Northern Cape and has over the last decade or so received over 1/2 $bn of taxpayers' money to run them.

The result is barely measurable with no noticeable improvement in housing, health, employment, education, or crime. However, NP is now himself a multi-millionaire.

How was a racially-based veto cemented into the Constitution going to help close the gap? This question was never answered, so Albozo's $400,000,000 boondoggle was widely rejected.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 18 October 2023 3:54:26 AM
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Thanks shadowminister for the thread. Yes the ALP seem to be communist activists. Kudos.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 18 October 2023 6:26:56 PM
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If we had true equality in this country there wouldn't have been a need for a Voice.
SteeleRedux,
What makes you think there was a need for this misappropriation ? Equality doesn't entail equal sharing of spoils, it entails equal effort & equal responsibility ! The Voice didn't advocate that !
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 18 October 2023 8:46:08 PM
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The problem is that the left-wing nut jobs believe that you can create equality by creating a different form of inequality.

The next stage of the "equality" would be a treaty that gave them far-ranging privileges and permanent reparations.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 19 October 2023 2:43:16 AM
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Take a Dollar off someone who has a Million Dollars & they're not a millionaire anymore !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 19 October 2023 7:23:54 AM
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Shadowminister,

So the No campaign celebrations were invite only and featured Gina Rinehart along with expensive champagne.

What other mining influencers were there?

Well for a start there was the chairman of Fuse Metals which is shortly to go public targeting an ASX listing in December. One of the major investors is Gina Rinehart's son and they are aiming to raise 10 million at the company's mining leases in both WA and QLD.

That chairman's name?

Warren bloody Mundine.

So you go and get all naked and play whack the millionaire, but know this, the backers and the faces of the No campaign were drenched in self interest.

These are the people you are championing.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 19 October 2023 7:14:26 PM
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SR,

Firstly, this was one of the many celebrations most of which were not millionaires. Secondly, if I was throwing a No celebration, I would like to keep out the trashy Yes activists. And finally, none of these people got $550m in taxpayer funds.

Notably, most of the Yes activists were wealthy and deeply motivated by self-interest.

Also, the strongest No areas were mostly Labor majority areas.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 20 October 2023 3:16:55 AM
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the backers and the faces of the No campaign were drenched in self interest.
SteelRedux,
You mean the largely revenue providing were in the No camp unlike the Yes camp that is entirely revenue-depleting ! Mostly though it was those "stupid" ones who voted No as they're not "educated enough" as that git from the Project said. What the YES crowd will gradually have to come to grips with is that their overstepping the mark has shown them up as the parasites they are.
Posted by Indyvidual, Friday, 20 October 2023 7:20:47 PM
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The Voice was about having more of the same, with the beneficiaries enjoying constitutional protection for their gravy train. Now that the no vote has prevailed the yes supporters have pulled down the shutters on understanding the problems (no royal commission into indigenous child abuse) and ensuring that the money is being properly spent (no audits). I very much doubt that such measures would cost $450 million.

With all the fanfare and abuse that went on, I think that some reckoning and resolution is in order. The problems are still there and the urgency for solving them has not changed.
Posted by Fester, Friday, 20 October 2023 9:26:26 PM
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The Left have always been poor losers. Leave them to the counsellors that they have been offered to sort them out. If they are public servants in Queensland, they can have 5 days paid stress leave to help with the shock of of being in the minority again. The Yes vote was only about 3% more than than the ALP primary vote at the election. Don't know what made them think the Voice would be a goer, particularly after Albanese has pretty much wrecked the economy and made it tough going for the majority of Australians, while the aboriginal industry is still getting $40 billion p.a that we know about. Almost half a billion on the referendum, and all that money from Big Business and Big Sport. I wonder if there will be anything left to pay for the Australian 11 to get their counselling.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 20 October 2023 9:48:37 PM
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These are the people you are championing.
SteeleRedux,
Still preferable to parasitism !
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 22 October 2023 11:27:45 AM
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shadowminister,

What an idiotic post from you.

'Keeping out trashy activists'?

They wouldn't let a single news organisation cover it. Why not? Because there were "wealthy and deeply motivated by self-interest" persons who would have felt uncomfortable being exposed as puppetmasters.

I shouldn't be amazed at how you repeatedly do the billionaire class's bidding, but I do find it hard to see how you type at all with your lips so firmly pressed against their backsides.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 9:27:58 AM
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"Also, the strongest No areas were mostly Labor majority areas".

Yes. 75% of Labor’s 77 seats said NO.

Given the measly 37% primary vote for Labor at the election, the ALP might be facing a sizeable exodus of voters and members by the next election, just like the Coalition did this time; even then, the Liberal primary vote was higher than Labor’s, and the Nationals did not lose a seat.

Socially conservative Labor and Liberal voters have more in common with each other than they do with any of the minor parties. If Dutton starts pounding the extreme-Left Albanese government, and keeps pounding them, his leading of the Coalition to victory at the next election is not beyond the realms of possibility. If they shunt out the wets in the pre- selection process, I might even vote for them. It's the only way to get rid of Albanese, if his more acceptable colleagues won't do it from within.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 11:24:07 AM
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SR,

Why would you open a private party for journalists to scoff the food and harass the guests? Certainly keeping out the trashy activists who would crash the event simply to ruin it.

I've had parties where gatecrashers had to be forcibly evicted and it was not pleasant.

I shouldn't be surprised at how you do Labor's bidding but I do wonder how you type with your lips firmly around their dicks.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 5:15:17 AM
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