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How will the Voice reduce infant mortality/

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Paul, you make irrational claims. Give one issue where Christianity makes superstitious claims. You should read the New Testament, so you are informed of these supposed superstitions. You accept witchcraft among some aboriginals as fact, but cannot come up with one superstition , just an unfounded claim.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 16 October 2023 10:13:55 AM
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Josephus,

Lets not talk about division. Lets talk about fixing
the problems that our First Nations people live
with everyday. What has been tried to date has not
worked. I think we can all agree on that. Our system
in dealing with our Indigenous people needs to be
overhauled. We need strong leadership for that to
happen.

I agree that Linda Burney does not appear as a strong
leader and probably should be replaced. It shouldn't
be a question of salary - but of who's better qualified
to do the job. Marcia Langton, Lidia Thorpe? Neither
really appeal to me. But I'm sure that there is someone
qualified out there.

Jacinta Price doesn't appeal either.
She's done nothing for her people apart from saying
what she thinks are the right things to ensure her
political position. But no practical achievements for
her people. She had the chance in the past in positions
she's held - and she did nothing.

Perhaps someone suitable will come along. We'll have to
wait and see.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 16 October 2023 10:25:07 AM
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Everyone needs a voice not just Aboriginals- John Stuart Mill says freedom so long as it doesn't affect the freedom of others- Aboriginal freedoms shouldn't undermine the freedoms of others. Each person gets one vote- no special groups- that is democracy- that is why The Voice failed. The Communists seem to want to empower the weak because they know they can control them- but it won't be good for them in the end- because communists want to destroy all culture for a monoculture.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 5:49:34 AM
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Hi Foxy,

I believe Linda is very unwell and has great difficulty, I would suggest that Pat Dodson should takeover the Aboriginal portfolio. However the old warriors a bit long in the tooth. Lidia Thorpe, she actually talks sense, but she needs to loose the "angry ant' attitude and present the same argument, but in a more reasonable tone, which resonates with moderate progressives, like you and I. Lidia would probably see that attitude as a cop out, and a sell out, but as I've said to more than one aspiring candidate in the past, politics is about the possible, don't compromise your principles, but present them with voter appeal.

"Lets talk about fixing the problems that our First Nations people live with everyday. What has been tried to date has not worked." Simply applying white man solutions to complex black man problems doesn't work, we know that, a new approach is needed, and leadership people like Dutton who advocated for a 'No' vote on Saturday now have a duty to step up and offer a constructive alternative, a better way, which as yet I'm not hearing from any of them. They've played the political game and won that, but these guys now need to step up, and play a different game of "constructive solutions". I suspect Dutton really doesn't give a stuff about Aboriginal people, and given the political opportunity he'd do exactly that, stuff them. The platitudes of "recognition" are window dressing with nothing concrete to back it up.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 7:33:15 AM
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Hi Paul,

Hopefully things will sort themselves out.
I'm sure that the Indigenous leaders will continue
to work hard and try to achieve things for their
people. They're a resilient people and they want
to leave a better life for their children. So I don't
see them giving up.

I'm sorry to hear about Linda Burney's health. She did
not appear well in her last TV appearance.

I watched Q and A last night. Lidia Thorpe was supposed to
be on the panel. Instead they had Alexander Downer. No more
needs to be said.

I'll again watch the news today - hoping there's something
more positive to hear.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 8:16:53 AM
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The indigenous need jobs and hope and role models to help them achieve it. Then they need a plan to improve their communities, and their sense of worth instead of being angry and resentful with little on the horizon. Then they need the courage to include themselves in society not demand more from it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 9:46:30 AM
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